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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:58 am 
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People scream that adding the DH to the NL will eliminate the "strategy" (LOL) of the NL game, but now also complain about something that literally requires managers to manage smarter. I don't get that.

The 3 batter rule basically encourages you to develop better relievers rather than rely on gimmicky guys. It hurts the Daniel Zamora's and his 90% slider approach but otherwise I don't really see an issue with it. It emphasizes crossover relievers and makes guys like Seth Lugo super important, which is better for the game anyway and how bullpens seem to be trending regardless. More multi-inning relievers and crossover guys and less carrying super flawed limited use guys seems like a win. It also eliminates panicky managing which we've experienced a fair share of here. How many times did Jerry Manuel go batter to batter in 2008 with his cavalcade of bad relievers to see them fail in their one batter assignments?


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:02 pm 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
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Rule 5.10(g) will be amended to require that starting pitchers and relief pitchers must pitch to either a minimum of three batters or to the end of a half-inning, with exceptions for incapacitating injury or illness

So basically Avilan can come to face Harper to end the inning and he won't have to face two more batters


Yup, but if Harper gets a hit off him, he needs to stay in the game.


Which is strategy in its own right, because then its not auto-pilot to go to your L-on-L guy if the guy after Harper is Rhys Hopkins or whatever. Forces the manager to weigh whether Avilan is the right call versus sticking with Lugo or going to his closer earlier to get through the tough spot and use non"closers" later, etc.

I don't get how playing L/R batter to batter is some super next-level strategy, but having to actually put thought behind ripple effects of pitching changes that can't be immediately undone with a "whoopsie, that didn't work" second move isn't strategy.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:03 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
People scream that adding the DH to the NL will eliminate the "strategy" (LOL) of the NL game, but now also complain about something that literally requires managers to manage smarter. I don't get that.

The 3 batter rule basically encourages you to develop better relievers rather than rely on gimmicky guys. It hurts the Daniel Zamora's and his 90% slider approach but otherwise I don't really see an issue with it. It emphasizes crossover relievers and makes guys like Seth Lugo super important, which is better for the game anyway and how bullpens seem to be trending regardless. More multi-inning relievers and crossover guys and less carrying super flawed limited use guys seems like a win. It also eliminates panicky managing which we've experienced a fair share of here. How many times did Jerry Manuel go batter to batter in 2008 with his cavalcade of bad relievers to see them fail in their one batter assignments?

Yeah it effectively eliminates the one batter specialist, but as a counter-measure, they're allowing a 26th roster spot. These are substantive changes to the game, any way you slice it.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:07 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
Mogriffjr wrote:
Rule 5.10(g) will be amended to require that starting pitchers and relief pitchers must pitch to either a minimum of three batters or to the end of a half-inning, with exceptions for incapacitating injury or illness

So basically Avilan can come to face Harper to end the inning and he won't have to face two more batters


Yup, but if Harper gets a hit off him, he needs to stay in the game.


Which is strategy in its own right, because then its not auto-pilot to go to your L-on-L guy if the guy after Harper is Rhys Hopkins or whatever. Forces the manager to weigh whether Avilan is the right call versus sticking with Lugo or going to his closer earlier to get through the tough spot and use non"closers" later, etc.

I don't get how playing L/R batter to batter is some super next-level strategy, but having to actually put thought behind ripple effects of pitching changes that can't be immediately undone with a "whoopsie, that didn't work" second move isn't strategy.

The issue is that managers are not limited in trying to get favorable batting matchups and will now have an extra bat on their bench to leverage in these situations when a RP is forced to face multiple batters.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:15 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
The issue is that managers are not limited in trying to get favorable batting matchups and will now have an extra bat on their bench to leverage in these situations when a RP is forced to face multiple batters.


Sure, which from a fan viewing perspective, isn't that better? I'm really not concerned with the length of games, more so about the experience itself. Late game comebacks are more fun than late game "hold ons", no?

I mean, a win is a win, but isn't it so much more fun to win with a big late comeback off the backend of a pen, or a PH game-winner, than it is to win a game by using 5 relievers for the final 8 outs?

I know that has nothing to do with the supposed impetus for this - "pace of play" - but I'm just not all that concerned with pace.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:35 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
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The issue is that managers are not limited in trying to get favorable batting matchups and will now have an extra bat on their bench to leverage in these situations when a RP is forced to face multiple batters.


Sure, which from a fan viewing perspective, isn't that better? I'm really not concerned with the length of games, more so about the experience itself. Late game comebacks are more fun than late game "hold ons", no?

I mean, a win is a win, but isn't it so much more fun to win with a big late comeback off the backend of a pen, or a PH game-winner, than it is to win a game by using 5 relievers for the final 8 outs?

Depends entirely on whose side you're rooting for.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:11 am 
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The debates here are all valid and good conversation. However, this is all supposed to be done in the name of drawing more fans and getting more people interested in the game. For the life of me, I don't see how ANY of this will draw new fans. This is all smoke and mirrors by the powers that be to justify their bloated salaries. No one is going to be enticed to come to a ball game or become a baseball fan because the game lasts two hours and forty five minuted rather than it lasting three hours.

As I said, the conversation is both valid and interesting. But they are not going to accomplish their stated goal.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster changes for 2020
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:13 am 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
The issue is that managers are not limited in trying to get favorable batting matchups and will now have an extra bat on their bench to leverage in these situations when a RP is forced to face multiple batters.


Sure, which from a fan viewing perspective, isn't that better? I'm really not concerned with the length of games, more so about the experience itself. Late game comebacks are more fun than late game "hold ons", no?

I mean, a win is a win, but isn't it so much more fun to win with a big late comeback off the backend of a pen, or a PH game-winner, than it is to win a game by using 5 relievers for the final 8 outs?

Depends entirely on whose side you're rooting for.


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