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 Post subject: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:56 am 
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Mets Mets lineup at Miami: Tejada-SS, Murphy-2B, Turner-3B, Duda-RF, Satin-1B, Thole-DH, Puello-LF, Nickeas-C, Den Dekker-CF. Niese on the mound. 27 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


Cool to see Puello and MDD in there.

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:59 am 
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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:27 am 
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I was about to write something about how, with both being on the 40 man but having pretty different likely long-term outlooks, maybe MDD would make more sense as a "short term" carry strictly as a backup defensive OFer and pinch runner type in the absence of Hairston over the better prospect Kirk, who would stand to reason could use the consistent reps more and also has a better chance of being a guy you're worrying about years of control and arb numbers and stuff vs. the likely eventual 4th OFer MDD...but then I realized MDD is not actually on the 40 man, but in camp as an NRI.

So disregard that, although I think had he been on the 40 man, that might've made sense.

Anyway, Rubin and Lennon note that Santana says he is good to go for throwing tomorrow, which is obviously a great sign and probably more important than how he threw yesterday. And Rubin makes a case that Rottino (RH'hitter) and Loewen (plays CF) stand to benefit more from Hairston's injury, as they combine to give you what Hairston did.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:32 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
I was about to write something about how, with both being on the 40 man but having pretty different likely long-term outlooks, maybe MDD would make more sense as a "short term" carry strictly as a backup defensive OFer and pinch runner type in the absence of Hairston over the better prospect Kirk, who would stand to reason could use the consistent reps more and also has a better chance of being a guy you're worrying about years of control and arb numbers and stuff vs. the likely eventual 4th OFer MDD...but then I realized MDD is not actually on the 40 man, but in camp as an NRI.

So disregard that, although I think had he been on the 40 man, that might've made sense.

Anyway, Rubin and Lennon note that Santana says he is good to go for throwing tomorrow, which is obviously a great sign and probably more important than how he threw yesterday. And Rubin makes a case that Rottino (RH'hitter) and Loewen (plays CF) stand to benefit more from Hairston's injury, as they combine to give you what Hairston did.


They seem high on Loewen so I have a hard time believing they would have gone with Loewen AND MDD. MDD has some warts he needs to work on. His eventual role is PROBABLY 4th OF but maybe not. Maybe the power is legit and if it is... even with the high K-rate maybe he's Drew Stubbs, maybe he's poor man's Upton? Probably I just don't think they would have considered him an option. Rottino shouldn't be an option either... I'm guessing the last bench spot should Hairston not be ready will be someone who isn't with us right now because Rottino.... is Rottino.

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
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It'll probably be Loewen and Baxter or Loewen and Rottino. I don't think we'll have to worry about carrying minor leaguers who should be getting everyday at bats in the upper minors.

The 40-man roster implications only become problematic in that scenario if Carrasco makes the bullpen.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:53 am 
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nmigliore wrote:
It'll probably be Loewen and Baxter or Loewen and Rottino. I don't think we'll have to worry about carrying minor leaguers who should be getting everyday at bats in the upper minors.

The 40-man roster implications only become problematic in that scenario if Carrasco makes the bullpen.


Well, no, thats only one 40 man cut. If you carry 2 NRI's, you need 2 cuts, and the second cut could be for a 2 week stay if Hairston is truly back working out and such by the end of March.

I mean, nobody is going to be harmed long term if Josh Satin or Armando Rodriguez is scooped up off waivers in all likelihood, but for a 2 week stay for someone who'll maybe accumulate 5 ABs or something of that ilk, seems less than ideal.

And, at this point I think you'd have to consider Carrasco either the or a favorite for that last spot, right?


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
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Also: I wouldn't discount the idea that the high profile cutting of Fernando Martinez, who is competing elsewhere for an extra OFer spot, in favor of DJ Carrasco would look even worse if you then cut DJ Carrasco just a month or 2 later for purposes of adding an extra OFer to the 40 man.

We'll see, but that'd be a pretty immediate "Whoops, our bad" that I'm SURE would get some media play.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:06 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Well, no, thats only one 40 man cut.

I should rephrase that: it doesn't solve the problem, but it makes it less problematic. One cut is better than two, after all.

Also, and I don't want to jump too far ahead myself, but Beato *may* need to go on the 60-day DL, which could open a 2nd spot.

And unlike most, I really wouldn't lose much sleep over cutting someone like Hefner or Arm-Rod. Arm-Rod's fastball is average at best, he's a flyball pitcher, and his secondaries are horrible. He hasn't tasted AA yet; with other teams making their flurry of 40-man roster moves to open spots, who is going to claim him?


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
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I haven't always been "all aboard" the MDD train (and I'm still not) but I really think we are being a little quick to cap his upside.

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:13 am 
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nmigliore wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Well, no, thats only one 40 man cut.

I should rephrase that: it doesn't solve the problem, but it makes it less problematic. One cut is better than two, after all.

Also, and I don't want to jump too far ahead myself, but Beato *may* need to go on the 60-day DL, which could open a 2nd spot.

And unlike most, I really wouldn't lose much sleep over cutting someone like Hefner or Arm-Rod. Arm-Rod's fastball is average at best, he's a flyball pitcher, and his secondaries are horrible. He hasn't tasted AA yet; with other teams making their flurry of 40-man roster moves to open spots, who is going to claim him?


Yeah, no and thats probably the cut, and its probably no big deal. Still, gotta think they've carried him on the 40 man for this long for a reason. He wasn't a holdover - that was one of the new regimes first moves: the 40 man adds last year.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
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Metro2007 wrote:
I haven't always been "all aboard" the MDD train (and I'm still not) but I really think we are being a little quick to cap his upside.


Hey, I'm a big MDD backer, but I think my point was that he's an older guy, has the secondary skills to be a bench guy probably now (obviously the bat isn't ready) and if Lagares is going to be considered in CF by the FO, he probably has 2 younger, better prospects in the upper minors who will get cracks at CF before him so there's an uphill battle to see where MDD becomes more than a 4th OF here in the near-term.

Of course, the point was made moot by me overlooking the fact that he's not on the 40 man anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Mets vs. Guppies
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:
I haven't always been "all aboard" the MDD train (and I'm still not) but I really think we are being a little quick to cap his upside.


Hey, I'm a big MDD backer, but I think my point was that he's an older guy, has the secondary skills to be a bench guy probably now (obviously the bat isn't ready) and if Lagares is going to be considered in CF by the FO, he probably has 2 younger, better prospects in the upper minors who will get cracks at CF before him so there's an uphill battle to see where MDD becomes more than a 4th OF here in the near-term.

Of course, the point was made moot by me overlooking the fact that he's not on the 40 man anyway.



MJ,
I 100% understood your line of thinking and MDD clearly has flaws (gotta see if he can reduce the K-rate while still hitting for the surprising power he showed in 2011). I'm just saying it wouldn't be an absolute stunner if MDD ends up an above average starting MLB CF (at least not in my eyes). I still think the most likely scenario is 4th OF. Just saying there are "tools" there that allow for a greater potential outcome.

Also I'm not sure they view Lagares as a CF. Sounds like they will get him some work out there. If the clear view was that he was a CF AND he's the superior prospect then why is MDD the starting CF for Bing?

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