This seems to be the new norm in baseball. Glad the Indians (?) started the trend. Good for the players and good for the teams.
I agree. Not sure who started it but it feels like the Rays have been on the forefront. Longoria, Moore, Price, Shields, Crawford, and Zobrist. All locked up early for team friendly prices.
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Now he can afford the cost of his calf implants!
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Jon Niese acknowledged advanced talks with the Mets about a long-term contract, but said he would refrain from an extended conversation about the topic until the deal's completion.
"What's the deal for? How much? That's all being worked out right now," Niese told ESPNNewYork.com. "There's definitely talks. Right now, until it's done, I'm not going to go into it."
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per Heyman, its gonna be 5 years + 2 option years.
(Potential) 7 year contract for a pitcher omgggggg.
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Last season, there were 25 major league pitchers who pitched at least 150 innings, struck out at least seven hitters per nine innings, walked fewer than three per nine, and allowed fewer than one home run per nine innings. Those are your kings of FIP.
If you went through that list, you’d see a lot of pitchers who would be on your no-doubter ace list. That’s the guys like Clayton Kershaw, Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee.
The second-tier guys are very good pitchers too- the likes of Jaime Garcia, Matt Garza, and Shaun Marcum.
Of those 25, the pitcher who posted the second-worst ERA was Michael Pineda’s 3.74.
The worst belonged to Niese. His was the distant outlier of the group, with a 4.40 ERA.
That is an extraordinarily unusual ERA for a pitcher who puts up the sort of peripheral numbers that Niese did. Earlier this spring we speculated why that might be, in this piece about how Niese yielded an abundance of soft hits.
A check of Baseball-Reference.com showed that in the 50 years of the Mets existence, there have been 316 instances of a pitcher putting up that trio of numbers mentioned above.
Only twice in that span did one of those pitchers have a worse ERA than Niese’s 4.40. Chris Bosio had a 5.24 ERA for the 1987 Brewers and Jason Hammel had a 4.81 ERA for the 2010 Rockies.
Pick a pitcher at random from that list of 316 and there’s about a 50-50 chance you’ll hit one with a sub-3 ERA. Better than 80 percent of the pitchers on that list had ERAs of 3.50 or lower.
There were a total of 153 pitchers who managed this sort of season. Of those, 63 of them (about 40 percent) were able to replicate that season at least one more time.
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FWIW, the notion that the Mets are locking up Niese long-term despite his 4+ ERA last season shows that there are people in the FO looking at -- and counting on -- advanced metrics. That's a good sign.
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