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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Can anyone think of a single lefty that Pelf has unsettled?
Yeterday! Up and in. It was weird.
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I like that Toby's report said that hitters were swinging through high fastballs from Leathersich. That speaks to excellent movement.
Back in the day, the Mets got El Sid from the Dodgers for a bag of baseballs (Bailor and Diaz) because the Dodgers believed their radar gun instead of his results. El Sid never threw 90, and still blew high fastballs past everyone. This seems to be a lefty thing - sometimes their hop and their arm action gives a much better fastball than you'd think from the gun.
I like that Toby's report said that hitters were swinging through high fastballs from Leathersich. That speaks to excellent movement.
Back in the day, the Mets got El Sid from the Dodgers for a bag of baseballs (Bailor and Diaz) because the Dodgers believed their radar gun instead of his results. El Sid never threw 90, and still blew high fastballs past everyone. This seems to be a lefty thing - sometimes their hop and their arm action gives a much better fastball than you'd think from the gun.
I think thats fine and good, but Metro's concern on Leathersich wasn't so much that his dominance is smoke-and-mirror based (which WILL lead to skeptics considering the levels he's pitching at) but that his fastball apparently was down quite a bit from reports from Brooklyn last year.
But I'd guess early season/longer stints explains a lot of it, in addition to a bit of a hot gun in Brooklyn, which has been known to exist from time to time (I remember Dillon Gee once hit 95 in a televised Brooklyn start).
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:
Pill is what he is. He's got limited upside. The dream is he can be Gee like. Strange pick in the 4th round. Nice debut though. Clearly wilmer and mdd are struggling because they are sad
Well, I think it comes off as backwards because Gee came first and all, but I think its actually you draft Gee in the ~20th and hope he can be Pill-like. Gee being the little righty from the small program who's a bit light on stuff.
Pill isn't likely a huge upside guy, but the guys with huge upsides in the 4th round typically have pretty low floors, too (otherwise they're popped earlier than that). Pill is a proven college performer at a big program with 4 usable pitches right away, plus command and average velocity. He'll almost certainly advance to AA fairly quickly and then who knows from there. I don't necessarily think its a strange pick in the 4th round.
BA threw a "Ian Kennedy" comp on him, Perfect Game had him at 94 overall, and a 2nd round pick as a pitcher.
I've read this 5 times and it makes absolutely zero sense to me. Dillon Gee came first and looks like a potential solid 4th starter. The hope is that Pill with a similar skillset can be THAT good. Who cares that Gee was picked later. If Zunino is picked 3rd overall a team can't say "I hope he can be as good as Russell Martin" because Martin was a 17th rounder? Your premise is you can't hope a player taken in an earlier round in a later year can be as good as a guy who surpassed expectations but was taken later in a previous year?
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
maxlongstreet wrote:
I like that Toby's report said that hitters were swinging through high fastballs from Leathersich. That speaks to excellent movement.
Back in the day, the Mets got El Sid from the Dodgers for a bag of baseballs (Bailor and Diaz) because the Dodgers believed their radar gun instead of his results. El Sid never threw 90, and still blew high fastballs past everyone. This seems to be a lefty thing - sometimes their hop and their arm action gives a much better fastball than you'd think from the gun.
I think thats fine and good, but Metro's concern on Leathersich wasn't so much that his dominance is smoke-and-mirror based (which WILL lead to skeptics considering the levels he's pitching at) but that his fastball apparently was down quite a bit from reports from Brooklyn last year.
But I'd guess early season/longer stints explains a lot of it, in addition to a bit of a hot gun in Brooklyn, which has been known to exist from time to time (I remember Dillon Gee once hit 95 in a televised Brooklyn start).
Well we can spin it any way we want (and it's certainly possible/likely that the longer stint is the issue) but if Leathersich is 88-90 then he is a LOT less interesting then previously thought (and I'm not saying he is 88-90). The reports last year had him 93-95 which would suggest injury/faulty scouting reports. A college pitcher SHOULD be able to eat up the SAL. Hopefully the 3 innings explains it.
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Regarding Pill, he reminds me of a young Walt Terrell. Terrell was a right handed, tenacious, strike throwing starter who helped himself by hitting and fielding well. Like Pill, his stuff was nothing special and kept his potential modest. His pick seems a bit of a throwback to the safe, low ceiling college pitchers of the Omar era.
Your premise is you can't hope a player taken in an earlier round in a later year can be as good as a guy who surpassed expectations but was taken later in a previous year?
No my premise is that Gee is the exception to a guy with his background and where he is taken, whereas what he has become is more common to a guy with Pill's background and where he was projected.
Point being, if your thought above was that "Why would you take Pill in the 4th when you can find that in the 20th", Gee has far surpassed the expectations of what you normally get where you got him, and I think if Gee had been popped in, say, the 4th round, that'd still look like a pretty good pick knowing what we know now.
That was it. Using Gee and Pill as profiles and pick spots rather than the actual baseball card associated with each, which is probably what caused any confusion.
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