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 Post subject: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earliest
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:07 am 
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But privately Mets officials will say they do not see the likelihood for strong contention before 2014.
So if that is the case shouldn’t they be looking to further break it down rather than marginally build it up? And, if that is the case, shouldn’t trading Wright now be fully in play?
Alderson says Reyes’ departure has nothing to do with Wright’s availability. In the strongest way yet, he said he expects Wright will be in Port St. Lucie in February. Another member of the organization more definitively said: “David’s not going anywhere [in the offseason].” There is a belief within the game that Mets’ ownership simply does not have the tolerance to lose the homegrown Reyes and Wright in the same offseason and further infuriate an already irate fan base; especially at a time when selling tickets is so difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:11 am 
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Why infuriate them once when you can infuriate them twice?


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:18 am 
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LOL, how many Mets fans are sitting at home, after everything else the last few years, going "This ownership group let Reyes walk. Fine. Thats strike 11. But I swear, they do one more bad thing, and I'm through?"

If you're still around at this point, you're probably not going anywhere. And in fact, if you make a move that actually brings some value into the organization, you're probably moving slightly ahead in most's eyes. You certainly can't "infuriate" much more at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:25 am 
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LOL, how many Mets fans are sitting at home, after everything else the last few years, going "This ownership group let Reyes walk. Fine. Thats strike 11. But I swear, they do one more bad thing, and I'm through?"

If you're still around at this point, you're probably not going anywhere. And in fact, if you make a move that actually brings some value into the organization, you're probably moving slightly ahead in most's eyes. You certainly can't "infuriate" much more at this point.



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I don't disagree but letting Wright walk vs. trading him would be pretty moronic.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
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I absolutely refuse to write off two years before any moves have been made THIS offseason.

Sorry, but that type of thinking is absurd.

Not saying it's likely the Mets win the WS in 2012 or 2013, or even make the Playoffs, but I've seen way too many insane things happen in baseball to write off TWO years.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:32 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
LOL, how many Mets fans are sitting at home, after everything else the last few years, going "This ownership group let Reyes walk. Fine. Thats strike 11. But I swear, they do one more bad thing, and I'm through?"

If you're still around at this point, you're probably not going anywhere. And in fact, if you make a move that actually brings some value into the organization, you're probably moving slightly ahead in most's eyes. You certainly can't "infuriate" much more at this point.


There are actually fans that are happy or indifferent to the fact that Reyes is gone, that would be very ticked off if Wright was traded too.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:33 am 
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I'm totally ok with this if the long term vision is to have a sustainable farm system that produces stars, role players, and trade chips that keep the team in perpetual contention for years after '14.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:43 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
LOL, how many Mets fans are sitting at home, after everything else the last few years, going "This ownership group let Reyes walk. Fine. Thats strike 11. But I swear, they do one more bad thing, and I'm through?"

If you're still around at this point, you're probably not going anywhere. And in fact, if you make a move that actually brings some value into the organization, you're probably moving slightly ahead in most's eyes. You certainly can't "infuriate" much more at this point.



That is very true.

And Nightlite....it is best to infuriate us now with unloading both Reyes and Wright than to do it again later, especially if Wright's power numbers come back. Now that my favorite player is gone, I personally wouldn't be any angrier if my second favorite leaves IF we get a couple of good young players in return. I hate a half hearted attempt to rebuild because it just takes that much longer.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
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This isn't news.

The Mets are really faced with a choice now - if you can't compete for a title, and you aren't in a position to upgrade your roster to compete, then you either stick with mediocrity, or you start to rebuild from scratch.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:19 am 
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Nutsacjac wrote:
This isn't news.

The Mets are really faced with a choice now - if you can't compete for a title, and you aren't in a position to upgrade your roster to compete, then you either stick with mediocrity, or you start to rebuild from scratch.


You don't have to rebuild from scratch though. We've already unloaded everyone we can besides Wright. It's fine to keep drafting well, hold onto your guys, and also keep Wright who will be what 30, 31 in 2014?


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
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thebull wrote:
Nutsacjac wrote:
This isn't news.

The Mets are really faced with a choice now - if you can't compete for a title, and you aren't in a position to upgrade your roster to compete, then you either stick with mediocrity, or you start to rebuild from scratch.


You don't have to rebuild from scratch though. We've already unloaded everyone we can besides Wright. It's fine to keep drafting well, hold onto your guys, and also keep Wright who will be what 30, 31 in 2014?


Right...what's really left to "rebuild from scratch?"

Do you want to unload all of the young homegrown regulars (some with higher upside than others) just for the sake of it? Aside from Bay, every other projected starting position player is between 21 and 29.

Dickey is ageless as a knuckleballer and cost effective, so there's no point in trading him. Niese and Gee are both in their mid 20's and under team control. Santana is immovable. Pelfrey is year to year.

You potentially have FOUR impact arms in the minors who are between a half season and a year and a half away. You have Kirk and Havens who may turn out to be contributors.

Let the young guys develop, and once Bay comes off the books, the team will have much more flexibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets don't see contending till 2014 the earlies
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I'm not at all against trading Wright (and anyone who wants to slog through posts dating back to 2010 can see that I haven't been on board with the guy since he started striking out like Adam Dunn). That said, I'm absolutely against trading him when his value is at the lowest it's been since 2003.

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