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 Post subject: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:10 am 
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With the Mets shortage of speed and power, I would play Valdespin instead of Murphy!
enough of this punch and judy hitting and in the 5 hole??

Murphy has regressed with his no power and I would trade him.
play Jordanna and hope that Havens rebounds in the 2nd half.


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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:15 am 
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I would have to see Jordany hit a little bit more, and also play defense and look something capable.

Murphy forgetting how to lift a ball is upsetting, because the old Murph hitting 300 and hitting 10-15 HR would be pretty sweet at 2B.


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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:17 am 
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I'm not committed to either.

But at this stage I'd rather watch Valdy.


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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:27 am 
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This cant be what Sandy & Co were hoping for offensively from Murphy. The complete lack of power so far is alarming.


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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:32 am 
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Murphy really has sorta morphed into Mets-era Luis Castillo, it's rather unflattering.

The Mets, in general, have 3 main weaknesses when it comes to their position players:

A Lack of Power
A Lack of Speed
A Lack of Defense

Valdespin improves power, improves speed, and is really no different (possibly worse, but marginally worse?) than Murphy at defense.

That being said, Valdespin is still only OPSing a .626, I'd need to see quite a bit more before committing to him over Murphy.


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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:34 am 
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You gotta think Flores' move to 2B has something to do with their lack of faith in Murphy/'Spin/Havens.

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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:37 am 
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Play Valdespin every day -- more than once if you can get away with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:43 am 
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I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit here.

While I agree that Murphy has been very disappointing, let's remember Valdy's hot night last night pumped his avg/OBP all the way up to .184/.205. This is prior to the inevitable league adjustment that will occur as he gets more time out there, as he is a guy that WILL get exposed and adjusted to, as he has many many holes.

There's no reason to be satisfied with how 2B has played out so far this year, especially offensively, but any upgrade is likely not coming internally.


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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:45 am 
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I'd agree with Mark. No way do you start 'spin after one good night. Murphy's slump is a couple weeks old. He will come out of it, and he will hit some home runs this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:55 am 
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I agree w/ those pointing out Valdespins' power & speed advantage over Murphy.
And I love Murph...he is a true Met to me.

Reminds me of the guys they had in the early days of the club.
Hard worker, grinder, a "ballplayer" who'll be remembered as much, if not more, for his legendary adventures with the glove than any offensive heroics he's had here & there.

But as long as Ike & Bay are not providing the power they're supposed to,
I believe Valdespin actually offers an upgrade at this point.

And as far as commitment goes long term, I'm not thinking past this stretch of the season.

Flores is being worked at 2B in the minors, & as much as I like Reese Havens, ( I live down the road apiece from where he's from), I'm thinking his ship may have sailed.

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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:58 am 
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yalikeMetroplitans wrote:
I'd agree with Mark. No way do you start 'spin after one good night. Murphy's slump is a couple weeks old. He will come out of it, and he will hit some home runs this year.


Woah woah woah, slow down cowboy! A homerun? Maybe. Some (multiple?!) ... not sure about that

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 Post subject: Re: Valdespin vs. Murphy
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:58 am 
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Valdespin hasn't even hit AAA pitching well yet, .269 .309 .394 this year and last wasn't much better. Doubt he'd even be able to replicate Murphy's slow start. At least Murphy has hit at this level before and is still getting on base at a decent clip.

At this point it doesn't look like either of these guys are the answer. I'd rather hope that Murphy gets the lift in his swing back while we wait for Wilmer or Reese or maybe even one of them trade things. Once Ruben and Cedeno are back Valdy should probably be down in AAA proving he can hit pitching there first and foremost.


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