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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:23 pm 
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NeverGiveIn wrote:
the mets should go after carlos lee.

He'd cost very little, actually, but why? He's having a mediocre year, has a big salary (even for a rental), and doesn't fit the roster at all. The Mets basically have a slightly worse version of Lee too: his name is Jason Bay.

Since 2010:
Carlos Lee, 104 OPS+
Jason Bay, 98 OPS+

ZiPS RoS projection for Lee: .760 OPS
ZiPS RoS projection for Bay: .746 OPS


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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:27 pm 
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Would be sweet seeing Wheeler win 18 for the Phillies and Hamels win 20 for the Dodgers

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:27 pm 
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Now I'm curious about the others....


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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:29 pm 
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He is defending his tweets by stating he saw something on fan graphs suggesting we go after Grienke making this whole thing okay. People are free to join me on the cage match option.


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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:35 pm 
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I would trade Bay for Hamels lol. I doubt Philly would

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:42 am 
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...and Mr. Martino should probably give up writing and analysis of baseball.

Neither will happen. One fortunately, and the other, unfortunately.


--BTW, isn't Martino a Philly transplant...?--

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:09 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:26 am 
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Wheeler is dang near untouchable for me.

Certainly not for Grienke or Hamels. Giants can have him back for Matt Cain though :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:46 pm 
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My untouchable list is longer than most (and probably longer than it should be), however, I can go 25 deep on my list for some of the guys being discusses out there.

Cole Hamels is intriguing, but he WILL leave for FA, he more than likely WILL NOT like NY, and WILL cost an arm (Harvey or Wheeler) and a leg (basically Wilmer), with probably a glove (Mejia) and shoe (den Dekker or something) thrown in for the extra pain.

If the Phillies would accept quantity over quality then it might make some sense, but they'll want it to hurt since it's the Mets.

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Bottom line... I wouldn't trade Wheeler for any rental player in baseball and I wouldn't trade him for any player with 1 year left unless Fred were willing to pay whatever the price is to lock up said player.

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:49 pm 
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Metro2007 wrote:
Bottom line... I wouldn't trade Wheeler for any rental player in baseball and I wouldn't trade him for any player with 1 year left unless Fred were willing to pay whatever the price is to lock up said player.


Add to that the fact that said player can and will hold you over a barrel, given that you've just given up your top prospect in order to get him (a la Benson).

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 Post subject: Re: Martino: should give up Wheeler (and others) to rent Ham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:51 pm 
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Metro2007 wrote:
Bottom line... I wouldn't trade Wheeler for any rental player in baseball and I wouldn't trade him for any player with 1 year left unless Fred were willing to pay whatever the price is to lock up said player.


Add to that the fact that said player can and will hold you over a barrel, given that you've just given up your top prospect in order to get him (a la Benson).



Yeah. Basically it would have to be a Santana situation where Fred was willing to give basically a blank check.

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