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Steve The Original · **Joined:** Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:16 pm **Posts:** 5486

sluger11787 wrote:

Bernadina hits a routine grounder to Turner, who waits on it...and Bernadina beats it easily.

Which SABRE stat measures that for the pitcher? The clear out that is turned into a hit? Is that the FIP?

BringBackBoisclair · **Joined:** Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:24 am **Posts:** 673

Steve The Original wrote:

It's pretty pathetic when you come to think of it.....four relievers to try to protect a 7 run lead.

Parnell has me anxiously waiting the return of Francisco.... and willing to welcome KRod back with open arms.

Steve The Original · **Joined:** Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:16 pm **Posts:** 5486

BringBackBoisclair wrote:

Steve The Original wrote:

It's pretty pathetic when you come to think of it.....four relievers to try to protect a 7 run lead.

Parnell has me anxiously waiting the return of Francisco.... and willing to welcome KRod back with open arms.

Well if it's true that Turner screwed up the easy ground ball out that would have ended the game, then Parnell gets a bit of a pass. Though the lead off hit and HBP are in the negative section of his ledger. lol

thebull · **Joined:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:37 am **Posts:** 8254

We need some relievers.

Doesn't have to be grade A upgrades but bring in some new arms here, even if we're pulling them off the scrap heap. I'd trade for one of the better arms available who could close, whether it be Myers, Street, K-Rod and then I'd also try and get a lesser named arm either through trade or signing someone who was DFA'ed.

BringBackBoisclair · **Joined:** Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:24 am **Posts:** 673

Steve The Original wrote:

BringBackBoisclair wrote:

Steve The Original wrote:

It's pretty pathetic when you come to think of it.....four relievers to try to protect a 7 run lead.

Parnell has me anxiously waiting the return of Francisco.... and willing to welcome KRod back with open arms.

Well if it's true that Turner screwed up the easy ground ball out that would have ended the game, then Parnell gets a bit of a pass. Though the lead off hit and HBP are in the negative section of his ledger. lol

Parnell has been getting a pass for the past 1.5 years. He simply does not get the job done.

northway · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:37 pm

BringBackBoisclair wrote:

Parnell has been getting a pass for the past 1.5 years. He simply does not get the job done.

I think the opposite is true: he's a good reliever who we expect too much from. Parnell would have a spot in any bullpen in the league. He's just not as good as he seems like he should be.

thebull · **Joined:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:37 am **Posts:** 8254

BringBackBoisclair wrote:

Parnell has been getting a pass for the past 1.5 years. He simply does not get the job done.

I think Parnell is what he is at this point. A middle-of-the-road bullpen arm, good for middle relief or 7th or 8th inning duties.

Not to say that can't change of course, as relievers are a volatile bunch.

Metro2007 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:38 pm

thebull wrote:

We need some relievers.

Doesn't have to be grade A upgrades but bring in some new arms here, even if we're pulling them off the scrap heap. I'd trade for one of the better arms available who could close, whether it be Myers, Street, K-Rod and then I'd also try and get a lesser named arm either through trade or signing someone who was DFA'ed.

I'd be pretty shocked if they trade for Street unless the price is a lot lower than we expect.

thebull · **Joined:** Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:37 am **Posts:** 8254

Metro2007 wrote:

thebull wrote:

We need some relievers.

Doesn't have to be grade A upgrades but bring in some new arms here, even if we're pulling them off the scrap heap. I'd trade for one of the better arms available who could close, whether it be Myers, Street, K-Rod and then I'd also try and get a lesser named arm either through trade or signing someone who was DFA'ed.

I'd be pretty shocked if they trade for Street unless the price is a lot lower than we expect.

I'm just saying in general trading for a guy we can stick at closer, whether that's Myers, Broxton, Street, or K-Rod. This is what I'd do anyway, the front office probably has different plans.

Metro2007 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:49 pm

Like I said on the other thread it sounds like they plan on playing "trade musical chairs" trading for the "cheapest" (in terms of talent) 1-2 arms and hoping for the best. I don't think it's going to be a guy who costs any of the "significant" aka top 7-8 prospects in the system.

Steve The Original · **Joined:** Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:16 pm **Posts:** 5486

thebull wrote:

Metro2007 wrote:

thebull wrote:

We need some relievers.

Doesn't have to be grade A upgrades but bring in some new arms here, even if we're pulling them off the scrap heap. I'd trade for one of the better arms available who could close, whether it be Myers, Street, K-Rod and then I'd also try and get a lesser named arm either through trade or signing someone who was DFA'ed.

I'd be pretty shocked if they trade for Street unless the price is a lot lower than we expect.

I'm just saying in general trading for a guy we can stick at closer, whether that's Myers, Broxton, Street, or K-Rod. This is what I'd do anyway, the front office probably has different plans.

I'm pretty sure their plan is to wait until Francisco comes back and have him resume his closers role.

northway · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:55 pm

Metro2007 wrote:

Like I said on the other thread it sounds like they plan on playing "trade musical chairs" trading for the "cheapest" (in terms of talent) 1-2 arms and hoping for the best. I don't think it's going to be a guy who costs any of the "significant" aka top 7-8 prospects in the system.

Honestly, I won't be happy if they move one of the younger, upside types. Guys like Vaughn, Gorski, Lutz, Campbell, etc., if someone wants to dump salary or get rid of their problem. Chris Young really can't be expected to last much longer, Johan might hit a wall, and if one of those guys were to go down, we'd be screwed, not contending. Also, Harvey might be shut down in September, which leads to another issue. The Gee injury was a pretty big blow to contention, even before our current losing streak.

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