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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:39 pm 
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As it stands now, we are talking about getting Familia back, hoping he's as good as ever and replacing Reed with Ramos. And maybe the hard thrower they acquired who has only very recently been promoted to AA ball will move quickly.

IMO that's not nearly enough to significantly improve one of the worst bullpens in baseball.

There is a ton of money coming off the payroll after this season, and not a huge number of major holes to fill. Sure, help at CF and 3B are needs, and some starting pitching depth is always a good idea. But some of those needs should be able to be filled at relatively moderate salary levels. I would focus most of the payroll flexibility on adding at least one reliable late inning relief pitcher, but preferably I would want two. Plus a handful of guys that could reasonably compete for middle inning spots with the Robles, Sewald and Smoker types. Add depth and talent to a unit that is currently woefully short on both.

That's what I would do.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:00 pm 
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All is dependent on if Sandy can get back some pen arms in trades, and if the Wilpons shy away from such a high payroll.

We cannot take $150m as a set payroll number. Perhaps they authorized it seeing some great potential.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:49 pm 
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I think the correct move is to trade Reed and then re-sign him. Can't start penciling in the Smoker's and Robles of the world. Should have at least 5 solid, set guys and then have Smoker, Gsellman, Lugo, Wheeler, Harvey, Robles, Smith competing for 1 or 2 spots.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:41 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:46 pm 
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Not sure I have any clue about that move.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:09 pm 
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Like others have said in the deadline thread, Edgin has to be leaving in a deal by tomorrow anyway or keeping Salas over Edgin is malfeasance.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:31 pm 
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Like others have said in the deadline thread, Edgin has to be leaving in a deal by tomorrow anyway or keeping Salas over Edgin is malfeasance.


Dicomo said it doesn't sound like he is in a trade, straight DFA


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:05 pm 
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He's out of options. The mets might not have planed to keep him next year, so (if I was to guess), it's just releasing him 2 months early. Maybe he signs on with another team and saves the mets $200 grand, maybe he doesn't, but if they weren't going to keep him, no harm in releasing him now.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:12 pm 
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He's out of options. The mets might not have planed to keep him next year, so (if I was to guess), it's just releasing him 2 months early. Maybe he signs on with another team and saves the mets $200 grand, maybe he doesn't, but if they weren't going to keep him, no harm in releasing him now.


Salas is a FA after this year anyway, Edgin has two more years of team control. It's inconceivable they'd keep Salas over Edgin. If you want to DFA Edgin this offseason when/if the pen ever gets better fine, but there's zero rationale for keeping Fernando Salas and the two months left on his contract over Josh Edgin in 2017.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:30 pm 
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An optimist will believe Familia comes back and is effective and that Ramos will slide into Reed's setup role, while also confident that Blevins will remain healthy another year and Sewald takes a step forward following a rookie season in which he showed some positives. In this sense, the bullpen has a nice foundation for 2018.

A more realistic view would be that Familia's best days are behind him, Ramos simply isn't as good as Reed, Blevins is probably 50/50 to make it through 2018 without a DL stint and Sewald, at 28 years old next season, is what he is.

Either way, they've got some work to do to round out the pen.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:58 pm 
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The Juice wrote:
An optimist will believe Familia comes back and is effective and that Ramos will slide into Reed's setup role, while also confident that Blevins will remain healthy another year and Sewald takes a step forward following a rookie season in which he showed some positives. In this sense, the bullpen has a nice foundation for 2018.

A more realistic view would be that Familia's best days are behind him, Ramos simply isn't as good as Reed, Blevins is probably 50/50 to make it through 2018 without a DL stint and Sewald, at 28 years old next season, is what he is.

Either way, they've got some work to do to round out the pen.


The Familia thing maybe correct, but I wouldn't say his best days are behind him...he's still young.

I can see Ramos not being as good as Reed, although Reed has been one of the best setup men the last two years basically...but Ramos is a solid guy who can be the next setup man or a good middle reliever, and the Mets still need those types. Either way he's an upgrade from the middle relief types. I'm also high on Sewald, who's kept his numbers in tact, and is throwing a bit harder since coming up.

I do agree that relying on Smoker and Robles is basically putting yourself back into the corner. The Mets either need to convert one of the SP into a RP and hope they become dominant (Wheeler or Gsellman are my options) or one of these young kids coming up, they need to just take a chance and hope the stuff plays up (among Smith the Mets just got, there's a few of the kid relievers I'd want them to give a shot). Robles i wouldn't mind on the team, but it's almost as if I'd rather him be the long reliever, then if he graduates from that role, then so be it. But you can't put much faith into him.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets 2018 bullpen as it stands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:28 pm 
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AllWrightNow wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
He's out of options. The mets might not have planed to keep him next year, so (if I was to guess), it's just releasing him 2 months early. Maybe he signs on with another team and saves the mets $200 grand, maybe he doesn't, but if they weren't going to keep him, no harm in releasing him now.


Salas is a FA after this year anyway, Edgin has two more years of team control. It's inconceivable they'd keep Salas over Edgin. If you want to DFA Edgin this offseason when/if the pen ever gets better fine, but there's zero rationale for keeping Fernando Salas and the two months left on his contract over Josh Edgin in 2017.


They could still be trying to trade Salas in a salary dump, or maybe this was a favor to Edgin to give him a chance to stick with another team. That Salas has been worse doesn't really undo what I (guessed). The might not have planned to release Edgin after the season. Maybe he's hurt and it was this over a DL stint. (all guesses I admit). I like Edgin, but he's got bit by the injury bug to often. Edgin being injured would explain it.

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