I wouldn't ever want the Mets to tank from the beginning of a season. But in this current case tanking makes sense. Also a second purpose of evaluating the Knicks de can be achieved. Win-win.

Comparing the trade of 40 year old Dickey for top prospects to the wheelbarrow load of crap we got this year is laughable. I think you're all kidding yourselves if you think this is building towards a 2018 contender. Maybe we'll see our #5 guy in the majors just in time for deGrom to leave.

how is next years draft at least?

And you're willfully misinterpreting my post. You're opposed to any now for future trades and dismiss every single prospect as a lottery ticket, you may claim that's not the case but every other post of yours for months has complained about trading these players even before we knew the return would be this underwhelming. I just used the Dickey trade as one of many examples where 'tank' trades do help down the road. And that was an offseason tank trade, not a 'we're 15 out in August anyway, might as well cash out' one.

Do I think most of the guys they got this year will ever help the Mets? Probably not, but hey let's waste payroll money and assets just to go from 65 wins to 75 and finish 15 games out of the playoffs instead of 25 in a season that was already a lost cause weeks ago!

Early thoughts are pretty strong, I believe.

So you're acknowledging that the Dickey trade doesn't match with this years "haul".

I've been against wasting my time for a third of a season for a crap return that's not going to make 2018 any better.

Now I also get to listen to a winter of speculation about all the wonderful trades and FA signings that will make next year a success.

And to cut off this line of response in advance, no I won't stop watching the Mets now or ever. I will however continue to comment on them when I think they're being run poorly.

But how would hanging on to the players on expiring deals have made the 2018 season any better?

I've never said it did. And I've said repeatedly the haul for said players is a dissapointment.

But now we get to the crux of the issue with the bolded, you only care selfishly (for lack of a better word) about watching a better product in meaningless games even if it costs us a return that might be useful down the road, even if we don't get as much of a look at the kids and other internal options that could be useful headed into the offseason and 2018.

Nothing they do in the rest of a meaningless season was going to help 2018 except assessing internal options and making moves like Ramos, both of which they did.



And if they do crap then they'll be ripped and rightly so. But you can't operate under the premise of oh well, they're not going to do anything anyway so myopically, I'd just rather watch a 75-win team to make the last two months better even though that's going to help 2018 even less.

Certainly the pick can turn out to be a bust. I'd still rather have the highest one possible.

Expecting to lose every night, and usually being right, sucks. I'm just hoping there's a payoff. And it's always fun to see the young talent prove itself.

There's some discussion on the draft thread about it. It's early but there's some pretty strong praise going on in there. It looks like a good draft to be picking 4-9.

In which case would have been Verlander instead of Humber....