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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:56 am 
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Sherman:

“But the idea of money being no object with the Mets probably makes their fans laugh more than “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” Money is an object. The payroll is not going up. The expectation is it is going down. One person familiar with the team’s thinking believes it could drop as much as $20 million to, say, the $135 million range.”


That’s about $25m available to get a bullpen arm, infielder, outfielder and veteran starter. Pathetic.

Good. Force the FO to find younger cheaper solutions.


So you expect a front office that you routinely criticize for being unimaginative to all of a sudden make all these amazing trades/signings for young talent that will also be above average major league players and lead us to the postseason? Hellooooo cognitive dissonance.


Gotta break the cycle eventually. Heck, if the freakin Yankees can stay the youth course and spend prudently, the Mets certainly can.

If you think the right way forward is just to keep investing at the retail level (post Arb, prime and post-prime) players to fill every hole, I'm not going to join you in advocating for that.

Having said that, I don't mind starting the dialogue on why everyone but Sandy seems to be a consideration for turnover. Given where they are, why is he safe? Is he GM for life? It feels like a SC appointment. Is the team reviewing what he's done to get us to this point... not to mention how the end of season devolved into a total Metsian circus?

People are so freakin invested in who the next manager should be... the place where a talent infusion is needed most of all is the FO. If SA remains in place, he definitely needs some additional talent around him.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:21 am 
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They're not signing a bullpen arm me thinks, and they might only need a backup OF. Infield . . . jury is still out but I do think they need to spend on pitching. The problem. A whole bunch of teams plan to spend on pitching.


Mostly agree. As bad as this pen was, having Familia back solves a lot of it. And of the young arms they added in trades, Callahan has looked about ready to help now. Ramos hasn't been good with the Mets, but could be a good candidate to bounce back next year. Plus, the Mets gave looks in the pen this year to 8 different rookie arms, many of whom weren't ready for prime time. But maybe a couple (such as Bradford and Sewald) have shown enough to think they can contribute more next year. On top of which, it may be time to move one or more of those SP to the pen (especially Montero, who is out of options).

I think they could probably pick up Blevins option, and go into next year with something like Familia, Ramos, Blevins, Callahan, Bradford, Montero, Edgin. But I think one significant addition might be a good idea.

Also think, with Plawecki out of options, and Travis d'Arnaud having done enough over the last month to assure he wouldn't likely be sent down either, that they won't be adding at catcher.

Overall, I think they aren't really "going for it" next year. I think it's a chicken or egg question whether the payroll will come down because they want to play these young players, or whether they are forced to play the young players because the money is tight. But I think they probably really do need to see next year whether guys like Nimmo, Rosario, Smith, Flores, and Plawecki can emerge as solid regulars.

If they think it's in the long term interest of the team to give those players the chance to develop, that may be more important than trying to win a pennant in the offseason.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:30 am 
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Having said that, I don't mind starting the dialogue on why everyone but Sandy seems to be a consideration for turnover. Given where they are, why is he safe?


Also, if he is returning, shouldn't they get his extension done first, before worrying about who will be interviewed for manager?

Either show some confidence in him, and get him extended, and let him actually run the show, or else get someone else in there who you do trust to be in charge.

If Sany feels like a lifetime appointee right now, it also feels like he has the power of a lame duck. He has no control over the front office righ now, much less the clubhouse.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:25 pm 
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acerimusdux wrote:
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Having said that, I don't mind starting the dialogue on why everyone but Sandy seems to be a consideration for turnover. Given where they are, why is he safe?


Also, if he is returning, shouldn't they get his extension done first, before worrying about who will be interviewed for manager?

Either show some confidence in him, and get him extended, and let him actually run the show, or else get someone else in there who you do trust to be in charge.

If Sany feels like a lifetime appointee right now, it also feels like he has the power of a lame duck. He has no control over the front office righ now, much less the clubhouse.

Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll leave to take the Braves job. :D


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:47 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
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Having said that, I don't mind starting the dialogue on why everyone but Sandy seems to be a consideration for turnover. Given where they are, why is he safe?


Also, if he is returning, shouldn't they get his extension done first, before worrying about who will be interviewed for manager?

Either show some confidence in him, and get him extended, and let him actually run the show, or else get someone else in there who you do trust to be in charge.

If Sany feels like a lifetime appointee right now, it also feels like he has the power of a lame duck. He has no control over the front office righ now, much less the clubhouse.

Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll leave to take the Braves job. :D


Yeah we will be totally thrilled with John Ricco I am sure. LOL


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:34 am 
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Curious how much these guys would cost us in trade..

Brandon Belt
Josh Harrison
Y. Solarte (SD)



Dom Smith isn't terrible, but based on the climate in free agency with 1B, Peter Alonso, and the relative ease to get a first baseman, I'm fine with moving on from him. Belt intrigues me as someone who can jump right into the lineup. Josh Harrison would be a big boost to the middle of the diamond defense w/ Rosario. I like Solarte as a cheap option.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:37 am 
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Curious how much these guys would cost us in trade..

Brandon Belt
Josh Harrison
Y. Solarte (SD)



Belt might be available but I can't imagine the Mets are willing to take on Belt at 17.2 million per + the cost to acquire him.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:49 am 
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MetsWhiz93 wrote:
Curious how much these guys would cost us in trade..

Brandon Belt
Josh Harrison
Y. Solarte (SD)



Dom Smith isn't terrible, but based on the climate in free agency with 1B, Peter Alonso, and the relative ease to get a first baseman, I'm fine with moving on from him. Belt intrigues me as someone who can jump right into the lineup. Josh Harrison would be a big boost to the middle of the diamond defense w/ Rosario. I like Solarte as a cheap option.

I love Belt getting away from AT&T however I wouldn't touch him until he shows no effects from his concussion.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:34 pm 
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BTW, does anyone actually know why Aoki would still be eligible for Arb if he's already been deemed a free agent in the past? Seems like the Arb process shouldn't be applied to him. There was evidently some loophole applied to him to become a FA. He shouldn't also have the right to salary arb.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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BTW, does anyone actually know why Aoki would still be eligible for Arb if he's already been deemed a free agent in the past?


He's had contracts in the past that stipulated at the end, his team would release him, thereby making him a FA. He is not currently playing under such a contract.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:04 pm 
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BTW, does anyone actually know why Aoki would still be eligible for Arb if he's already been deemed a free agent in the past?


He's had contracts in the past that stipulated at the end, his team would release him, thereby making him a FA. He is not currently playing under such a contract.

Hmm, once a FA, it should make one ineligible for Arb in the future. Interesting that he can still avail himself to the process.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 lineup?
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Milone is in a similar situation, though not likely to be offered Arb. He's still an arb guy who's also been a free agent. It's not that uncommon. RA Dickey was like that, he was signed as a minor league free agent, then still under Arb once he became good. It'd be a tricky thing to get rid of cause the good players have to go through the arb years, so why should a player who gets released get an advantage?

What I don't understand about Aoki is that he was 30 when he signed. I thought signing at 30 would exclude him from the arb situation entirely.

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