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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:01 pm 
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Other than being a warm body that isn't of the Argenis Reyes level of player, I don't see the value of Cabrera at $8.5 million next season.

You have a starting caliber player for the going rate of a back-up infielder. Obviously he's having a down year but he was quite good last year.


Wait, $8.5 million is the going rate for a backup infielder?

Pretty much, yeah. Or at least the $6.5M difference between picking up and not picking up his option. $6-8 million is a fair price for the first or second bat off your bench.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:18 pm 
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Pretty much, yeah. Or at least the $6.5M difference between picking up and not picking up his option. $6-8 million is a fair price for the first or second bat off your bench.


That seems awfully steep to me. Besides, isn't that the role Juan Lagares plays? Overpaid bench player?


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:51 pm 
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Pretty much, yeah. Or at least the $6.5M difference between picking up and not picking up his option. $6-8 million is a fair price for the first or second bat off your bench.


That seems awfully steep to me. Besides, isn't that the role Juan Lagares plays? Overpaid bench player?

Yes. Lagares is making a fair salary for a fourth OF. The issue there is that you don't like locking in paying that money for a fourth outfielder for multiple years and locking it in in advance. You'd rather just sign a different fourth OF every January to 1 year, $7M or whatever it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
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I'm sorry but unless you can give me a list of backup middle infielders making $8 million and backup outfielders making $7 million I just don't buy it.

And I mean guys that were signed for that amount of $ to be a backup. Not guys that have regressed or stink and lost starting jobs.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:14 am 
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I'm sorry but unless you can give me a list of backup middle infielders making $8 million and backup outfielders making $7 million I just don't buy it.

And I mean guys that were signed for that amount of $ to be a backup. Not guys that have regressed or stink and lost starting jobs.


They gave De Aza $6 million to be a backup...


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:35 am 
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Jon Jay got $8 million to be a platoon/4th OF.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
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They gave De Aza $6 million to be a backup...


Technically they gave him 6 million to start or at least, play a significant role cause they didn't think they were going to be able to resign Cespedes, then, they resigned Cespedes to the 3 year with opt out after 1 and they had a 6 million dollar backup as an unplanned consequence.

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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:09 am 
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I'm sorry but unless you can give me a list of backup middle infielders making $8 million and backup outfielders making $7 million I just don't buy it.

And I mean guys that were signed for that amount of $ to be a backup. Not guys that have regressed or stink and lost starting jobs.


They gave De Aza $6 million to be a backup...


No, they gave De Aza $6m to replace Cespedes and be the long-side of a platoon with Lagares.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:23 am 
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I'm sorry but unless you can give me a list of backup middle infielders making $8 million and backup outfielders making $7 million I just don't buy it.

And I mean guys that were signed for that amount of $ to be a backup. Not guys that have regressed or stink and lost starting jobs.


They gave De Aza $6 million to be a backup...


They gave De Aza $6 million because they didn't think they'd get lucky and have Cespedes return.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:23 am 
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So Jon Jay? That doesn't convince me that's the going rate for backup players.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:56 am 
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Jon Jay is also going to get 300+ PA this year.

I could definitely see us trying to get Granderson back at that rate with the idea of using him for 300-400 PA next year. I don't think, if they don't bring Cabrera back, they would spend $8m on a different backup infielder, however.


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 Post subject: Re: Waiver clears and claims
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