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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:19 pm 
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LTK - what are you arguing? That I should like Harvey and that his reputation is unearned?

I don't dislike Harvey. He's a pitcher who plays for the Mets. The better he does, the better it helps the Mets. However, he hasn't 'helped' the Mets consistently for a long enough period that I believe it is doubtful he ever will again. The Mets being the Mets, it's likely he'll move to another franchise, at which point he'll probably win multiple Cy Young's and WS's and be everybody's favorite front page poster boy once again.

I hope he does, too. He seems to need the spotlight, and although I don't necessarily appreciate that means of self validation, the lack of such is something he'll eventually have to overcome...people with those type of sensibilities tend to turn into pretty fragile creatures once the spotlight's taken away.

I truly hope I'm wrong & would love to see him become an effective pitcher for the Mets as part of a WS winning rotation.

That said, he's earned his reputation through his actions.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:50 pm 
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On the day he signs his contract with the Yankees, he is going to rip the Mets to shreds at the press conference. Just a gut feeling I have.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:22 pm 
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jdawginsc wrote:
The road to redemption sometimes takes some folks a long time to find...


Howdy Jdawg. You are so right. I'm living proof!

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Hey man. It's great to see you back!

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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:07 pm 
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LTK - what are you arguing? That I should like Harvey and that his reputation is unearned?



No. I think liking or disliking a player is entirely personal and each person is entitled to their own opinion.

I'm arguing that in general, Harvey gets an unfair bad rap that he really doesn't deserve. Maybe that distinction isn't all that clear, but that's what I'm trying to say. I think, on average, he's being unfairly and too harshly judged.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:27 pm 
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On the day he signs his contract with the Yankees, he is going to rip the Mets to shreds at the press conference. Just a gut feeling I have.


That may be true, so, the only natural approach is to trash him first? Or, am I overreacting?

and when Harvey signs with whoever and if he says all the right things in Dec 2018, will all be forgiven?

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anyway, it may sound like I'm making a big deal out of this, when it's really just an observation. It seems to me that he gets judged more quickly than most players. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:34 pm 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
pennst92 wrote:
LTK - what are you arguing? That I should like Harvey and that his reputation is unearned?



No. I think liking or disliking a player is entirely personal and each person is entitled to their own opinion.


To a degree it is but when you hear the scuttlebutt and read between the lines, doesn't seem like Harvey's all that popular inside the room with his teammates either.


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The non-existent trade market for half-year rentals makes it necessary for him to flash some positives before the season ends if we want any real value (baring a one year magical run) from a guy that looked like a once every twenty year franchise talent.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:39 pm 
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At the game. Harvey did not look good. Pitched one inning. Couldn't find the strike zone. Missed up and to the arm side mostly. Not finishing his pitches.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:27 pm 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
pennst92 wrote:
LTK - what are you arguing? That I should like Harvey and that his reputation is unearned?



No. I think liking or disliking a player is entirely personal and each person is entitled to their own opinion.

I'm arguing that in general, Harvey gets an unfair bad rap that he really doesn't deserve. Maybe that distinction isn't all that clear, but that's what I'm trying to say. I think, on average, he's being unfairly and too harshly judged.

Unfair in what regard?

Harvey gets shielded a bit given all the open secrets out there that don't get fully publicized.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:49 pm 
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Unfair in what regard?

Harvey gets shielded a bit given all the open secrets out there that don't get fully publicized.


it just seems like he's the guy to dislike. I don't know how else to explain it. I don't think it's his fault he's had 2 major injuries, but it seems to have cost him a ton of fans. Another player in his situation would get sympathy, not dislike.

It's not really something I want to make a big deal out of. I'm just a little surprised more people dont' see what I'm saying.

Now, as to the point that he rubs teammates the wrong way sometimes - that's a fair point. I don't know if it's true, but if it's true, it's a fair point to make and maybe look to trade him.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:22 pm 
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Thor was on Game of Thrones.

Harvey wasn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey if anyone cares
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:26 pm 
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Ciarán wrote:
Thor was on Game of Thrones.

Harvey wasn't.


Yeah, I kind of agree - not that Harvey shouldn't have done things differently - he should have. But Thor's starting to go thru that "I'm Thor, and I am somebody" phase many young, upper echelon players go through...he should be looking at Harvey as an example of what not to do.

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