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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:03 pm 
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I seriously don't think this is Step 1 to a greater scheme.

He's not here to replace Granderson in New York.

He's here to replace Smith in Vegas.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:15 pm 
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Yes, if things don't work out for Nimmo. Not sure about "fairly likely" however.

At 24, I don't really get the view that Nimmo is destined to be/remain a singles hitter. I realize he's going to need to ramp up his aggressiveness a bit at the plate, but one would have to project that he'll run into 15 HRs by accident in 500 PAs given that he's a physical specimen. I don't think it's a big stretch for him to get to 280/350/450 with 15 HRs and 30doubles in 500 PAs. But he'll never get there if he doesn't get the opportunity. Whether some will find that enough for an OF corner is another story but I'll be surprised if he doesn't produce like that eventually.


Stand by your man, I guess. That projection assumes a pretty serious re-tooling for someone who has managed 3 XBH thru his first 120 PA. Yeah I know iso takes a while to stabilize but still.

People used to say Yelich but that looks like a pretty slim possibiliTy now. The profile and production looks far more reminiscient of, say, old friend Jeremy Reed. Or a Mike Baxter. Maybe Nava? Gabe Gross?


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:19 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:

Yes, if things don't work out for Nimmo. Not sure about "fairly likely" however.

At 24, I don't really get the view that Nimmo is destined to be/remain a singles hitter. I realize he's going to need to ramp up his aggressiveness a bit at the plate, but one would have to project that he'll run into 15 HRs by accident in 500 PAs given that he's a physical specimen. I don't think it's a big stretch for him to get to 280/350/450 with 15 HRs and 30doubles in 500 PAs. But he'll never get there if he doesn't get the opportunity. Whether some will find that enough for an OF corner is another story but I'll be surprised if he doesn't produce like that eventually.


I'd be very pleased with those numbers from Nimmo. The skeptic in me says it'll never happen, but I hope it does. I'd sign up for an .800 OPS from Nimmo in a heartbeat.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:22 pm 
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Yes, if things don't work out for Nimmo. Not sure about "fairly likely" however.

At 24, I don't really get the view that Nimmo is destined to be/remain a singles hitter. I realize he's going to need to ramp up his aggressiveness a bit at the plate, but one would have to project that he'll run into 15 HRs by accident in 500 PAs given that he's a physical specimen. I don't think it's a big stretch for him to get to 280/350/450 with 15 HRs and 30doubles in 500 PAs. But he'll never get there if he doesn't get the opportunity. Whether some will find that enough for an OF corner is another story but I'll be surprised if he doesn't produce like that eventually.


Stand by your man, I guess. That projection assumes a pretty serious re-tooling for someone who has managed 3 XBH thru his first 120 PA. Yeah I know iso takes a while to stabilize but still.

People used to say Yelich but that looks like a pretty slim possibiliTy now. The profile and production looks far more reminiscient of, say, old friend Jeremy Reed. Or a Mike Baxter. Maybe Nava? Gabe Gross?

I fully realize he may never get a full opportunity and then he'll fall into this category you reserve for him. I think he's good for more tho, but he needs daylight... and some of that may be on him for being a little bit too passive at the plate. Anyway, it's far from over for him. If they ever clear the deck of Grandy and give him the next 45 games to play, perhaps he can stake some claim to a role.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:47 pm 
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Wow. Great. More org filler. How about Sandy and Co. show some imagination and vision for once and actually take a chance on someone with some upside........ like Arismendy Alcantara who was just DFA'd three days ago and is still only 25 years old.


Printing his jersey would be too expensive.

I don't mean to be a nudge, but what about Alcantara's season has said that he's a guy to carry on the 25? (Cause he's out of options, so if you pick him up, he's on your major league roster). Certainly not his 35% K rate or his 2% walk rate, or his .171 average. He's a guy you try to sign to a minor league deal in January, he's not a guy you pick up off waivers and carry for the rest of the year and into next year cause you like his tools. Useful glove, but not a guy you can carry. There's a reason why nobody picked him up.

These moves (Wagner/Snyder) are just 2018 depth cause the mets have no major league depth to speak of right now.


Keep in mind that Aaron Hicks hit .192 with a similar k-rate for the Twins in 2013. Alcantara is still loaded with tools and at least has some upside. Some guys take longer to figure it out, as you know. Point is, org fillers are just that.....players with basically no upside.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:51 pm 
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Wow. Great. More org filler. How about Sandy and Co. show some imagination and vision for once and actually take a chance on someone with some upside........ like Arismendy Alcantara who was just DFA'd three days ago and is still only 25 years old.


Printing his jersey would be too expensive.

I don't mean to be a nudge, but what about Alcantara's season has said that he's a guy to carry on the 25? (Cause he's out of options, so if you pick him up, he's on your major league roster). Certainly not his 35% K rate or his 2% walk rate, or his .171 average. He's a guy you try to sign to a minor league deal in January, he's not a guy you pick up off waivers and carry for the rest of the year and into next year cause you like his tools. Useful glove, but not a guy you can carry. There's a reason why nobody picked him up.

These moves (Wagner/Snyder) are just 2018 depth cause the mets have no major league depth to speak of right now.


Keep in mind that Aaron Hicks hit .192 with a similar k-rate for the Twins in 2013. Alcantara is still loaded with tools and at least has some upside. Some guys take longer to figure it out, as you know. Point is, org fillers are just that.....players with basically no upside.

I don't think it's Alcantara, but the Mets do need to make an Aaron Hicks type deal this winter.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:35 am 
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lantinm wrote:

Keep in mind that Aaron Hicks hit .192 with a similar k-rate for the Twins in 2013. Alcantara is still loaded with tools and at least has some upside. Some guys take longer to figure it out, as you know. Point is, org fillers are just that.....players with basically no upside.


The team that selects him has to carry him through rule 5, all winter and make a decision next spring training on whether the roster can carry him or not, and if he continue to hit below 200, he's a bad roster guy, even with all his defensive versatility and speed.

If he still had options it would be different.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Spiderman
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:23 am 
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Lets also make sure we point out that Hicks' 2013 was literally 10x the season Alcantara is having.

Of all seasons of at least 100 PA in the history of the game, Alcantara's 2017 is currently ranked 37,596th out of 37,650. Its special company to be as bad as he was this year for that length of time.


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