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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:26 pm 
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bygranddesign wrote:
I am baffled beyond belief that we sold off Bruce, Walker, Duda, Reed and Grandy at the deadline ... and will most likely get NOTHING out of it

I would give Sandy this offseason to try to right the ship .. but I wouldn't be sad if he was gone


Because our pitching is crap and these guys are free agents and we have no shot at making any sort of run at the playoffs. The returns are disappointing but I don't believe Sandy didn't try the best he could. It's just simply a bad year to be a seller.

We gave up a lot of good quality players and people in Grandy, Duda, Walker, Reed. How are we going to replace the offense we gave away? Either now or in the winter these decisions were going to have to be made.

In this free agent class our best signings would quite literally be every player we just traded away. None of them were the problem this year.


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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:26 pm 
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R Nitelight wrote:
The problem is we won't reinvest the money in good players. We'll dumpster dive again and over-commit to mediocre players who will tie our hands for 3 or 4 years while we wait for their contracts to expire.


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Exactly.



OTOH, I'm not sure signing Lucroy, Cain and Moose isn't unlike Al Harazin's blueprint....


We need a trade or two and a plan for the next few years, free agency or not.


Spending isn't the only issue, which is what this thread is about. It's about creativity and finding that undervalued player and/or player that may break out/need a change of scenery etc.


Sandy has a big off-season coming.

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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:29 pm 
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rejoice1 wrote:
The common denominator in all this is Fred and Jeff

Here we go "Rebuilding''---Again. :x :(


No as long as there is Synddergaard/DeGrom at the top of the rotation and in the primes of their career there is no rebuild. There can't be. It makes no sense. If you want to rebuild then go ahead and trade them too. And Cespedes. The Mets have to approach next year the same way they did this year. Go for it.


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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:31 pm 
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bygranddesign wrote:
I am baffled beyond belief that we sold off Bruce, Walker, Duda, Reed and Grandy at the deadline ... and will most likely get NOTHING out of it

I would give Sandy this offseason to try to right the ship .. but I wouldn't be sad if he was gone



I thought the quantity was light.

I find myself actually liking the players we got back.


8)

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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:35 pm 
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metswillkillyoursoul wrote:
rejoice1 wrote:
The common denominator in all this is Fred and Jeff

Here we go "Rebuilding''---Again. :x :(


No as long as there is Synddergaard/DeGrom at the top of the rotation and in the primes of their career there is no rebuild. There can't be. It makes no sense. If you want to rebuild then go ahead and trade them too. And Cespedes. The Mets have to approach next year the same way they did this year. Go for it.



I can see reason to be optimistic, but the farm (injuries a culprit or not) has been straight up disastrous this season.

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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:37 pm 
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R Nitelight wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
I am baffled beyond belief that we sold off Bruce, Walker, Duda, Reed and Grandy at the deadline ... and will most likely get NOTHING out of it

I would give Sandy this offseason to try to right the ship .. but I wouldn't be sad if he was gone



I thought the quantity was light.

I find myself actually liking the players we got back.


8)


I do as well. Some interesting pieces there. Drew Smith is probably my favorite of the group, but I like Bautista, Ryan and Nogosek as well. Callaghan is the closest, I'd imagine.

It'll be interesting what/if we get for Grandy and Walker.

My issue is that Cabrera is still here.

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 Post subject: Re: It is time to say goodbye to Sandy Alderson
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:38 pm 
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R Nitelight wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
I am baffled beyond belief that we sold off Bruce, Walker, Duda, Reed and Grandy at the deadline ... and will most likely get NOTHING out of it

I would give Sandy this offseason to try to right the ship .. but I wouldn't be sad if he was gone



I thought the quantity was light.

I find myself actually liking the players we got back.


8)



Cool, who do you like, Nitey?

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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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