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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:35 am 
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I'm guessing McNeil was on the early morning flight from Tampa to Phoenix and then hopped on up to Fresno in plenty of time for tonight's game.

He's 2 for 3 with a HBP, 2 runs and steal in his Vegas debut.

Luis Mateo, Beck Wheeler and Neil Wagner have 7 scoreless innings. Phillip Evans has homered.

5-0 Vegas in the 8th


Wow.

I wonder if Luis Mateo will get a start for us this Sept. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:37 am 
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Giminez i think is number 1 for me


Dave Peterson's still up there too even with only 2.2 innings pitched so far. An argument could be made for Vientos at #3 I think.


I think this is probably how I'd go too. Giminez, Peterson, Vientos.


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:39 am 
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I to would have those 3 as my top 3. I lean toward upside so I might have Vientos #2 but yeah those are probably my top 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
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If Giminez was hitting .350 in the Appalachian League we'd all be giddy.


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:02 am 
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Does Gimenez project to add any power? And he's not really fast, right?

Falls into the category for me of a guy who's going to be more exciting when he's further away than when the actual picture becomes clearer. Remember:

Remember, remember, the Ruben Tejada minor league path. At 6 months older than what Gimenez is now (e.g., Gimenez' 2018 will play older than Tejada's 2009), Tejada performed better at AA than what Gimenez is doing in low-A.

In a barren system, Tejada once ranked high too. I'm just not all that pumped for a potentially average tools across the board middle infielder. Vientos sounds much more exciting.


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:30 am 
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The scouts were high fiving ala Campbell when they got Vientos. In my years speaking to the "Mets insider" on BBI he's never once had the Mets higher on a pick. That doesn't mean they are higher on him than Conforto (no idea) but relative to where they plucked them.

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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:09 am 
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Does Gimenez project to add any power? And he's not really fast, right?

Falls into the category for me of a guy who's going to be more exciting when he's further away than when the actual picture becomes clearer. Remember:

Remember, remember, the Ruben Tejada minor league path. At 6 months older than what Gimenez is now (e.g., Gimenez' 2018 will play older than Tejada's 2009), Tejada performed better at AA than what Gimenez is doing in low-A.

In a barren system, Tejada once ranked high too. I'm just not all that pumped for a potentially average tools across the board middle infielder. Vientos sounds much more exciting.

I've seen LHH SS version of Martin Prado thrown out.


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:58 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Does Gimenez project to add any power? And he's not really fast, right?

Falls into the category for me of a guy who's going to be more exciting when he's further away than when the actual picture becomes clearer. Remember:

Remember, remember, the Ruben Tejada minor league path. At 6 months older than what Gimenez is now (e.g., Gimenez' 2018 will play older than Tejada's 2009), Tejada performed better at AA than what Gimenez is doing in low-A.

In a barren system, Tejada once ranked high too. I'm just not all that pumped for a potentially average tools across the board middle infielder. Vientos sounds much more exciting.

This is not really true, unless I'm missing something or there are different DOBs than the ones I'm seeing. I've got Gimenez born on 9/4/98 and Tejada born on 10/27/89...

Using those DOBs, Gimenez will play all of 2018 as a 19-year-old, just as Tejada played all of 2009 as a 19-year-old. Gimenez will turn 20 just as the season ends (beginning of September), very similarly to when Tejada turned 20 shortly after the season ended (end of October).

To say that Gimenez will play 2018 at older than Tejada played 2009, while technically true, is only a difference of seven weeks. Negligible, no?

The accurate comparison is that during his age-18 season Tejada was in St. Lucie performing worse than Gimenez is in Columbia in his age-18 season. We shall see what 2018 has in store for Gimenez, which can then be compared to what Tejada did in Bingo in 2009.

Either way, there are definitely similarities between the two at this point. Just trying to be factually correct here.


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:04 pm 
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This is not really true, unless I'm missing something or there are different DOBs than the ones I'm seeing. I've got Gimenez born on 9/4/98 and Tejada born on 10/27/89...

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You're correct. I conflated his debut date (April 7) and birthdate (October 27th).

We'll see what next year brings Gimenez. And I'm definitely somebody who values performance. I just think when guys with sort of a capped skillset "hold their own", there needs to be a consideration of where they go from there.

Someone with 80 raw power and speed for days who holds their own because their raw as hell is impressive, and you can dream on where they go from there.

Someone who has 50 grade tools across the board holding their own makes me question what more they have to give.

Its a little bit of a Rich Man's Carpio type discussion from a few years back. I mean I guess the hope is Gimenez turns into something like Cabrera, right, as the upside of his skillset? No true carrying tool but does everything well enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:07 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Does Gimenez project to add any power? And he's not really fast, right?

Falls into the category for me of a guy who's going to be more exciting when he's further away than when the actual picture becomes clearer. Remember:

Remember, remember, the Ruben Tejada minor league path. At 6 months older than what Gimenez is now (e.g., Gimenez' 2018 will play older than Tejada's 2009), Tejada performed better at AA than what Gimenez is doing in low-A.

In a barren system, Tejada once ranked high too. I'm just not all that pumped for a potentially average tools across the board middle infielder. Vientos sounds much more exciting.

I've seen LHH SS version of Martin Prado thrown out.


Interesting. Is he definitely a SS? Jeff's one report made it sound like the arm is fine but the body may thicken and the actions are more in the realm of "he's a smart fielder" than "super gifted athletically there".


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:20 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
ilikeike29 wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Does Gimenez project to add any power? And he's not really fast, right?

Falls into the category for me of a guy who's going to be more exciting when he's further away than when the actual picture becomes clearer. Remember:

Remember, remember, the Ruben Tejada minor league path. At 6 months older than what Gimenez is now (e.g., Gimenez' 2018 will play older than Tejada's 2009), Tejada performed better at AA than what Gimenez is doing in low-A.

In a barren system, Tejada once ranked high too. I'm just not all that pumped for a potentially average tools across the board middle infielder. Vientos sounds much more exciting.

I've seen LHH SS version of Martin Prado thrown out.


Interesting. Is he definitely a SS? Jeff's one report made it sound like the arm is fine but the body may thicken and the actions are more in the realm of "he's a smart fielder" than "super gifted athletically there".

Decent chance. Not a lock though.

That Prado comp is more a ceiling than anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Minor League Thread: 8/17/17
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Didn't Law say Giminez can grade out as a 70 for fielding?


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