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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:11 pm 
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What would it take to get Wil Myers in here for 2018 to play 1B? Would they be open to moving him.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:20 pm 
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SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
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And now Cespedes being Cespedes...I know the games mean nothing but this is one that's going to get a Terry reamout after the game.


What makes you think this when there is zero evidence that Terry (or Sandy or anyone) ever confronts the obviously non-caring, poor-example-setting Cespedes? No one (including, inexplicably, NYFS members) ever calls out Cespedes on his apathy. It even took forever to GKR to finally address it and even they still dance around it. And in the context of supposedly being concerned about Rosario playing with Cabrera, it makes even less sense.

Don't get me wrong; I hope you are correct; it's long overdue. My personal theory is that everyone thinks if they confront him, it just gets worse for the next 3 years.

As an aside, if you're watching the game, I thought it was unfair to put Rosario and Cespedes in the same sentence. All the indications are that Rosario cares, hustles, etc and that this was the kind of rookie mistake that will be corrected over time. All the indications from Cespedes are the exact opposite and it's only getting worse over time.


I meant I thought Terry would ream out the team in general for the 7th inning and looking dead at the plate too, not just Ces specifically. But for now it seems like calm, resigned Terry in the postgame.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:34 pm 
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Is Dom borrowing Plawecki's wet noodle bat?

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:27 am 
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Ralf wrote:
Is Dom borrowing Plawecki's wet noodle bat?


It's a small sample size I admit, but Dom's averaging a homer every 17 PAs. Cespedes a homer every 19 PAs. Flores 1 every 21. Duda 1 every 17, Conforto 1 every 16, Bruce 1 every 15.

1 homer every 17 PAs isn't bad, and I know, small sample size and Yankee (LOL, you call that a Stadium). Still, his youth, 2 bopers. It could be worse.

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:52 am 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
Ralf wrote:
Is Dom borrowing Plawecki's wet noodle bat?


It's a small sample size I admit, but Dom's averaging a homer every 17 PAs. Cespedes a homer every 19 PAs. Flores 1 every 21. Duda 1 every 17, Conforto 1 every 16, Bruce 1 every 15.

1 homer every 17 PAs isn't bad, and I know, small sample size and Yankee (LOL, you call that a Stadium). Still, his youth, 2 bopers. It could be worse.


Yeah he could be getting a hit every 6 or 7 at bats.

Oh, wait

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:48 am 
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FREE TRAVIS TAIJERON!!!

I guess he will be free to go anywhere this winter.

It's a shame that we never even gave him a cup of tea look. Not as a starter but as a fifth outfielder. The Mets will never know if he can handle ML pitching and they don't care....yeah, I know he is a poor defender; as I said, he may have been a decent part to the 25 as a spare outfielder with power.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:43 am 
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SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
AllWrightNow wrote:
And now Cespedes being Cespedes...I know the games mean nothing but this is one that's going to get a Terry reamout after the game.


What makes you think this when there is zero evidence that Terry (or Sandy or anyone) ever confronts the obviously non-caring, poor-example-setting Cespedes? No one (including, inexplicably, NYFS members) ever calls out Cespedes on his apathy. It even took forever to GKR to finally address it and even they still dance around it. And in the context of supposedly being concerned about Rosario playing with Cabrera, it makes even less sense.

Don't get me wrong; I hope you are correct; it's long overdue. My personal theory is that everyone thinks if they confront him, it just gets worse for the next 3 years.

As an aside, if you're watching the game, I thought it was unfair to put Rosario and Cespedes in the same sentence. All the indications are that Rosario cares, hustles, etc and that this was the kind of rookie mistake that will be corrected over time. All the indications from Cespedes are the exact opposite and it's only getting worse over time.

Talk about unfair... this whole post is unfair. Anyone can drop a fly ball. Doesn't mean he's dogging it. Just last week Yo beat out 2 IF hits in the same game. I don't recall if you mentioned his effort there. Post like this shows some pretty deep animus that seems unsupported IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:02 am 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
AllWrightNow wrote:
And now Cespedes being Cespedes...I know the games mean nothing but this is one that's going to get a Terry reamout after the game.


What makes you think this when there is zero evidence that Terry (or Sandy or anyone) ever confronts the obviously non-caring, poor-example-setting Cespedes? No one (including, inexplicably, NYFS members) ever calls out Cespedes on his apathy. It even took forever to GKR to finally address it and even they still dance around it. And in the context of supposedly being concerned about Rosario playing with Cabrera, it makes even less sense.

Don't get me wrong; I hope you are correct; it's long overdue. My personal theory is that everyone thinks if they confront him, it just gets worse for the next 3 years.

As an aside, if you're watching the game, I thought it was unfair to put Rosario and Cespedes in the same sentence. All the indications are that Rosario cares, hustles, etc and that this was the kind of rookie mistake that will be corrected over time. All the indications from Cespedes are the exact opposite and it's only getting worse over time.

Talk about unfair... this whole post is unfair. Anyone can drop a fly ball. Doesn't mean he's dogging it. Just last week Yo beat out 2 IF hits in the same game. I don't recall if you mentioned his effort there. Post like this shows some pretty deep animus that seems unsupported IMO.


Wow, like you I guess, I truly don't get it. And not just from you but from - seemingly -
most of this board. I know I can't get political but, whatever your beliefs, it's like watching a certain President and seeing two completely different things.

First of all, it's not just dropping the fly ball. It's not making any effort to catch catchable balls on the fly (in the same game and others).

Seriously now ... people truly don't see how little he hustles? How infrequently he runs out of the box on anything that's not a potential infield hit? How recently he sometimes barely leaves the box and then does less than jog? How he makes half-assed attempts at many balls in the field? How he slow jogs after balls past him? How he did similar things even in the World Series? How he refuses to play right field?

Serious question, are you still watching the games? It's understandable if you're not but then at least your post would make more sense to me.

As a side note, looked up the famous Reggie Jackson / Billy Martin right field incident the other day. Reggie's "laziness" paled in comparison to what La Anti-Granderson does every day.

BTW, we're supposed to post to call out running hard on potential IF hits as if that's not the default?

This guy is stealing money from each of you and few seem to care. It's odd to say the least.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:11 am 
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As a side note, it's true that I was against signing Cespedes because I thought he was among the most likely to take the money and run. But when he seemed to work so hard this offseason and declared his desire to be MVP, I thought maybe I had misjudged him and had an open mind. It's considerably less open currently, not because of his 40 or whatever RBI but because of his obvious, near-contemptuous lack of effort. As Gary said yesterday (paraphrasing) "Is it too much to ask of your $110 million player to lead by example ..."


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:16 am 
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***I love GKR*** BUT... they routinely have their own agendas. Keith used to routinely rip into Reyes for not running out routine ground balls/popups when "most" players are not running hard on these 162 games per year. I clearly remember a game (this was during Reyes first run here) where Keith laid into him, Wright hits a weak popup... jogs to first... nothing. They have guys they like and guys they don't like. I'm not even "defending" Cespedes but they selectively knock guys and it's not always based on reality.

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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:20 am 
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SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
Talk about unfair... this whole post is unfair. Anyone can drop a fly ball. Doesn't mean he's dogging it. Just last week Yo beat out 2 IF hits in the same game. I don't recall if you mentioned his effort there. Post like this shows some pretty deep animus that seems unsupported IMO.


Wow, like you I guess, I truly don't get it. And not just from you but from - seemingly -
most of this board. I know I can't get political but, whatever your beliefs, it's like watching a certain President and seeing two completely different things.

First of all, it's not just dropping the fly ball. It's not making any effort to catch catchable balls on the fly (in the same game and others).

Seriously now ... people truly don't see how little he hustles? How infrequently he runs out of the box on anything that's not a potential infield hit? How recently he sometimes barely leaves the box and then does less than jog? How he makes half-assed attempts at many balls in the field? How he slow jogs after balls past him? How he did similar things even in the World Series? How he refuses to play right field?

Serious question, are you still watching the games? It's understandable if you're not but then at least your post would make more sense to me.

As a side note, looked up the famous Reggie Jackson / Billy Martin right field incident the other day. Reggie's "laziness" paled in comparison to what La Anti-Granderson does every day.

BTW, we're supposed to post to call out running hard on potential IF hits as if that's not the default?

This guy is stealing money from each of you and few seem to care. It's odd to say the least.

I think this reaction is just a wee bit over the top, especially considering that it's about a guy who has +34 DRS in LF over his 6 seasons. The guy knows which balls he can get to and which ones he can't and I'd rather him keep a ball in front of him than go for some meaningless "effort points" to dive and end up with a ball getting behind him and extra bases... on top of the risk to his health by doing so.

And yeah, I don't see anything wrong with praising a guy for busting it and beating out a couple of IF hits in a meaningless game in late August. Do you think every player busts it down the line on every groundball hit? In a perfect world they would, but we know that doesn't happen.

So I'm not really sure why this guy has become the latest target of animus and I wouldn't venture to speculate as to why. It's been a lost season so tensions do get a little out of hand so there is that...

oh and btw I certainly do watch a lot of games and was at the game on Saturday. I wasn't able to see yesterday's game but I did see the clip of the ball he dropped. Not a big deal to me... happens once a year.


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 Post subject: Re: IGT: Marlins at Mets 8/20/17
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:41 am 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
Talk about unfair... this whole post is unfair. Anyone can drop a fly ball. Doesn't mean he's dogging it. Just last week Yo beat out 2 IF hits in the same game. I don't recall if you mentioned his effort there. Post like this shows some pretty deep animus that seems unsupported IMO.


Wow, like you I guess, I truly don't get it. And not just from you but from - seemingly -
most of this board. I know I can't get political but, whatever your beliefs, it's like watching a certain President and seeing two completely different things.

First of all, it's not just dropping the fly ball. It's not making any effort to catch catchable balls on the fly (in the same game and others).

Seriously now ... people truly don't see how little he hustles? How infrequently he runs out of the box on anything that's not a potential infield hit? How recently he sometimes barely leaves the box and then does less than jog? How he makes half-assed attempts at many balls in the field? How he slow jogs after balls past him? How he did similar things even in the World Series? How he refuses to play right field?

Serious question, are you still watching the games? It's understandable if you're not but then at least your post would make more sense to me.

As a side note, looked up the famous Reggie Jackson / Billy Martin right field incident the other day. Reggie's "laziness" paled in comparison to what La Anti-Granderson does every day.

BTW, we're supposed to post to call out running hard on potential IF hits as if that's not the default?

This guy is stealing money from each of you and few seem to care. It's odd to say the least.

I think this reaction is just a wee bit over the top, especially considering that it's about a guy who has +34 DRS in LF over his 6 seasons. The guy knows which balls he can get to and which ones he can't and I'd rather him keep a ball in front of him than go for some meaningless "effort points" to dive and end up with a ball getting behind him and extra bases... on top of the risk to his health by doing so.

And yeah, I don't see anything wrong with praising a guy for busting it and beating out a couple of IF hits in a meaningless game in late August. Do you think every player busts it down the line on every groundball hit? In a perfect world they would, but we know that doesn't happen.

So I'm not really sure why this guy has become the latest target of animus and I wouldn't venture to speculate as to why. It's been a lost season so tensions do get a little out of hand so there is that...

oh and btw I certainly do watch a lot of games and was at the game on Saturday. I wasn't able to see yesterday's game but I did see the clip of the ball he dropped. Not a big deal to me... happens once a year.


I'd recommend rewatching the game and particularly whatever inning it was that Gary and Keith spoke about leadership. At the very least, it was an engrossing conversation in a lost game / season.*

Your "lost season" = "tensions" is less applicable to me than most as I'm for winning less with Grandersons than winning more with Cespedeseseses.

*Top of 7th, if you have the MLB package and can rewatch.


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