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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:38 am 
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After Jake's surgery he was ready for the following season. I asssume this is going to be the same with Matz? But like Ralf said and I've been saying for awhile the Mets have Thor and deGrom and it's a crapshoot after. They need to sign at least two pitchers or trade for one and sign one this offseason


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:47 am 
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I don't see the Mets pressuring Matz to pitch thru pain. If they thought it was anything more than ordinary soreness, no way they take the risk of him doing more damage by pitching him.

Oh yeah, the Mets would never do that...

https://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/05/pedro ... ch-injured


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:32 am 
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And no, I don't have any inside information on Gsellman but given his newfound inability to maintain his velocity deep into starts and fall off in command, and the organization he pitches in, it wouldn't be a surprise to me at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:41 am 
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Good on Matz for pitching through pain. Hopefully it really is nothing serious.
I agree with the gentleman who pointed out that missing time would
have hurt his value. Indeed. This may pay off in the future for Matz. He may learn some things about pitching without his best stuff. Maybe this year was a washout but hopefully it helps him going forward.

What a season. Phew!


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:31 am 
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still have hope for matz that i dont have with harvey


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:57 am 
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Ciarán wrote:
still have hope for matz that i dont have with harvey


Knowing that he was not 100% makes me feel the same way.....

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Mets aren't trading Harvey unless they can get something other than $50,000 cash for him

And same for Montero. They have patiently stood by this guy while he was constantly awful. Now that he may have found what he apparently lost, they are NOT going to trade an inexpensive fifth starter.

Mets will have pressure to sign a decent starter who can slide into one of the three top spots (likely a #3) and have Harvey, Wheeler, Matz and Gsellemen fight it out for one spot. Nice to see a good effort by Gsellmen last night. Lugo, if he still has an arm, will likely get a spot in the pen as the long man.


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:05 am 
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ilikeike29 wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
I don't see the Mets pressuring Matz to pitch thru pain. If they thought it was anything more than ordinary soreness, no way they take the risk of him doing more damage by pitching him.

Oh yeah, the Mets would never do that...

https://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/05/pedro ... ch-injured

A toe injury??


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:24 am 
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McGowan to take his spot on roster.

I assume they'll take it slowly with Familia and not add him before rosters expand.


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:15 am 
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ilikeike29 wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
I don't see the Mets pressuring Matz to pitch thru pain. If they thought it was anything more than ordinary soreness, no way they take the risk of him doing more damage by pitching him.

Oh yeah, the Mets would never do that...

https://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/05/pedro ... ch-injured


I love Pedro, but I find this hard to believe.


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:23 am 
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Oh I definitely buy the part about Jeffy making him pitch because it was a home game and tickets were sold. The only part I differ with him on is the hypothesis that somehow that one outing led to all of Pedro's subsequent issues, that's the bridge too far for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:06 am 
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Oh I definitely buy the part about Jeffy making him pitch because it was a home game and tickets were sold. The only part I differ with him on is the hypothesis that somehow that one outing led to all of Pedro's subsequent issues, that's the bridge too far for me.


I'm also not sure I buy the connection that since Jeff pressured Pedro to pitch for the gate, similarly he pressured Steve Matz and Rob Gsellman to do so for...[?].

Has anyone here ever woken up on a given morning and said "Ya know what? I'm taking the family to Citi tonight - its a Rob Gsellman day!!!"


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 Post subject: Re: Update: Matz pitched through pain all season, may need s
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:09 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
AllWrightNow wrote:
Oh I definitely buy the part about Jeffy making him pitch because it was a home game and tickets were sold. The only part I differ with him on is the hypothesis that somehow that one outing led to all of Pedro's subsequent issues, that's the bridge too far for me.


I'm also not sure I buy the connection that since Jeff pressured Pedro to pitch for the gate, similarly he pressured Steve Matz and Rob Gsellman to do so for...[?].

Has anyone here ever woken up on a given morning and said "Ya know what? I'm taking the family to Citi tonight - its a Rob Gsellman day!!!"


So in other words it's a systematic organization issue. And we know the one common denominator in running the organization then and now...


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