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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: David Wright playing tonight for St. Lucie (DH)
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:13 pm 
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40 man roster spots are scarce for every organization


I can't remember exactly when I started paying attention to roster nuances like 40 man roster spots. But I can say with certainty I've never looked at the Mets' version of it, for as long as I've looked at these things, and thought "Wow, there's really no room for anyone else on here."


Ynoa was a 40 man casualty that some people paid attention too last year, but you're mostly right. It's mostly a non issue. I've in the past, fussed over possibly losing Nick Evans (not to be confused Phil Evans) - and I was wrong to worry about losing Nick Evans.

The bigger roster mistakes in history were 25 man, not the 40.

Justin Turner
Darren O'Day

That said, if the mets had protected and not lost Matt Bowmann, I bet he'd have helped us this year, maybe even been a starter. He's probably the biggest recent 40 man loss.

It can make a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:19 pm 
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Yeah, this doesn't concern me in the least. I think more than likely any player who were to get poached wouldn't be someone I'd lose any sleep over.


Again, this is in the context of DW's wasted roster spot, not some broader discussion about the rate of success for fringe Rule 5 guys.

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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:29 pm 
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Yeah, this doesn't concern me in the least. I think more than likely any player who were to get poached wouldn't be someone I'd lose any sleep over.


Again, this is in the context of DW's wasted roster spot, not some broader discussion about the rate of success for fringe Rule 5 guys.

It's the same discussion. Protecting ("wasting a spot on") David Wright's spot on the 40 man roster means that someone else won't be protected. And invariably some people will have convulsions over this.


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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:42 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
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Yeah, this doesn't concern me in the least. I think more than likely any player who were to get poached wouldn't be someone I'd lose any sleep over.


Again, this is in the context of DW's wasted roster spot, not some broader discussion about the rate of success for fringe Rule 5 guys.

It's the same discussion. Protecting ("wasting a spot on") David Wright's spot on the 40 man roster means that someone else won't be protected. And invariably some people will have convulsions over this.


Its not the same discussion. One is about the merits of wasting a roster spot on a player that will never play again. The other is about using a spot on a player that can possibly contribute. One does not beget the other. For instance, the Mets could very well dispense of Wright and not add an additional fringe Rule 5 guy.

Frankly, its ridiculous to argue that Wright's roster spot has some merit here. Its a total emotional argument.

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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
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If this isn't fretting about "wasting" Wright's 40 spot that could otherwise be used on a player who is worth protecting, then I don't understand what it's about.

All I'm saying is that if someone good is left unprotected bc of Wright, or btw anyone else that doesn't deserve the 40 man spot, I'll have a cow over it at the time. I'm not going to pre-agonize over this.


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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:04 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
If this isn't fretting about "wasting" Wright's 40 spot that could otherwise be used on a player who is worth protecting, then I don't understand what it's about.

All I'm saying is that if someone good is left unprotected bc of Wright, or btw anyone else that doesn't deserve the 40 man spot, I'll have a cow over it at the time. I'm not going to pre-agonize over this.


You're still making an emotional argument and this isn't solely about fringe Rule 5 guys. It could change thinking on free agency as well. I'll ask you straight out, does Wright add value to the 40 man roster as a player that will never play?

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 Post subject: Re: David Wright playing tonight for St. Lucie (DH)
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:10 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Ralf wrote:

40 man roster spots are scarce for every organization


I can't remember exactly when I started paying attention to roster nuances like 40 man roster spots. But I can say with certainty I've never looked at the Mets' version of it, for as long as I've looked at these things, and thought "Wow, there's really no room for anyone else on here."


Ynoa was a 40 man casualty that some people paid attention too last year, but you're mostly right. It's mostly a non issue. I've in the past, fussed over possibly losing Nick Evans (not to be confused Phil Evans) - and I was wrong to worry about losing Nick Evans.

The bigger roster mistakes in history were 25 man, not the 40.

Justin Turner
Darren O'Day

That said, if the mets had protected and not lost Matt Bowmann, I bet he'd have helped us this year, maybe even been a starter. He's probably the biggest recent 40 man loss.

It can make a difference.


But you're making the assumption that each of these guys were the "40th" man on the 40 man roster. This year alone, we sacrificed Ynoa so that Marcos Molina can throw 88 at AA or Becerra can put up a below average hitting line while looking more like a DH in the field, or...yes, you knew I wasn't going to miss this one...watch Matt Reynolds continue his assault on all things good and decent with his continued insistence on K'ing every 3rd PA while the best we can otherwise hope for is a weak single to the opposite field. So yes, I believe they should have kept Ynoa - tough season and all - and would've had plenty of room to cut someone else from the above mentioned names - or others! Erik Goeddel is another that springs to mind; somehow we would've survived without his annual dose of replacement level mop up work - before I came to the conclusion that DW had to be dumped.


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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
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Ralf wrote:
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If this isn't fretting about "wasting" Wright's 40 spot that could otherwise be used on a player who is worth protecting, then I don't understand what it's about.

All I'm saying is that if someone good is left unprotected bc of Wright, or btw anyone else that doesn't deserve the 40 man spot, I'll have a cow over it at the time. I'm not going to pre-agonize over this.


You're still making an emotional argument and this isn't solely about fringe Rule 5 guys. It could change thinking on free agency as well. I'll ask you straight out, does Wright add value to the 40 man roster as a player that will never play?


I fail to see the reason people are rushing to retire Wright. I know it's not "rushing" by this point, but the concept is the same. To me, Wright can take as much time as he wants/needs to come back. I don't really care how much the org indulges him in this, if indulging is how some see it.


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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:59 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
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HeyNowHK wrote:
If this isn't fretting about "wasting" Wright's 40 spot that could otherwise be used on a player who is worth protecting, then I don't understand what it's about.

All I'm saying is that if someone good is left unprotected bc of Wright, or btw anyone else that doesn't deserve the 40 man spot, I'll have a cow over it at the time. I'm not going to pre-agonize over this.


You're still making an emotional argument and this isn't solely about fringe Rule 5 guys. It could change thinking on free agency as well. I'll ask you straight out, does Wright add value to the 40 man roster as a player that will never play?


I fail to see the reason people are rushing to retire Wright. I know it's not "rushing" by this point, but the concept is the same. To me, Wright can take as much time as he wants/needs to come back. I don't really care how much the org indulges him in this, if indulging is how some see it.


You're basically saying its good roster management to sign (to a major league contract) a 36 year old position player with crippling shoulder and backs issues that have limited him to 75 games in 3 years.

Anyway, the prudent move for the organization and Wright would be to announce his retirement and work out a 3 year adviser/development role at $5m in 2018, $3.75m in 2019 and $3m in 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:14 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
If this isn't fretting about "wasting" Wright's 40 spot that could otherwise be used on a player who is worth protecting, then I don't understand what it's about.

All I'm saying is that if someone good is left unprotected bc of Wright, or btw anyone else that doesn't deserve the 40 man spot, I'll have a cow over it at the time. I'm not going to pre-agonize over this.


Plus it won't be because of DW any more than it'll be because of the no-hoper AAA vet or A-ball reliever the Mets also inevitably choose to keep.

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I fail to see the reason people are rushing to retire Wright. I know it's not "rushing" by this point, but the concept is the same. To me, Wright can take as much time as he wants/needs to come back. I don't really care how much the org indulges him in this, if indulging is how some see it.


It's all about the payroll money it'll save. Or at least it should be. That's the only real issue, not some invented one like the 40-man roster spot where they'll do two or three other things that annoy everyone anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: David Wright rehab "terminated"
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:36 pm 
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He earned the right to retire or not retire on his own terms.

One way or the other he is going to be paid.

I am pretty sure they will work the particulars out, but it would be criminally tragic for him to not be able to one last time wear the uniform in the batters box.

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