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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:52 am 
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Other than the fact the Mets won't have him on the roster. Financially, what does it mean for New York's offseason if Wright decides to hang it up?

Nothing. Theyd still owe him the remainder of his contract, assuming he retires due to injury.

Sources: the CBA, the Prince Fielder situation


I don't think prince fielder is officially retired. I believe the rangers need to give him a 40 man spot every offseason and then immediately put him on the 60 day DL when the season begins till his contract runs out.


I'm pretty sure they could just release him and get him off the 40, but then they'd be on the hook for the full amount. I would think that some kind of deal could be reached with the player and with the insurance company that "he's done", you pay this, we'll pay that and just make it official, but I'm only guessing that's sometimes done.

In David Wright's case, I believe he genuinely wants to return.

There was an odd insurance situation with Jayson Williams the former Nets center. He signed a large contract then had a very bad broken leg, it wasn't the normal break but it was a split, up the leg bone. It was generally agreed that he was done and his contract was covered by insurance.

2 years later he felt better and had the urge to try to play again. There's no guarantee that he could have, but he wanted to, but his agent told him that he could put his guaranteed money (2 or 3 years remaining) in jeopardy just by trying out.

I think there was a situation with Dwayne Wade wanting to play and the Heat benefiting from him being injured all year this past season so they wouldn't medically clear him. I think it was a cap space situation. Wade got paid but his salary this year doesn't count against the cap.

I don't know of any strange baseball retirement/injury situations like that.

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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:53 am 
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I'm sorry, I think its really a bad look to continue a charade about coming back if you know you can't, just to collect the money. Whomever the player is, they didn't earn that money. Its a mark on the type of person they are imo, especially if they've already collected over $100m in salary over their careers. Johan comes to mind with this as well. Have some honor for petes sake.

Guys like Cuddyer and Meche are a rare breed apparently. Those a honorable individuals.


I agree with this 1000%. You add in the fact that David has been rumored to have made over 100 million in his Vitamin water investments on top of the money he made in MLB and he really comes off looking pretty greedy. He's basically willing to hurt his team and the fans that supported him in order to collect money that he essentially doesn't need.


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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:00 am 
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This idea that Wright is just going thru the motions in order to get paid is pretty far out there IMO. He is going to get paid regardless.


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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
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Wright gets paid if he keeps trying to come back. Wright gets paid if he retires due to injury. How is he being greedy? By keeping someone who may never help the team anyway off the 40 man?

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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:24 am 
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Ralf wrote:
I'm sorry, I think its really a bad look to continue a charade about coming back if you know you can't, just to collect the money. Whomever the player is, they didn't earn that money. Its a mark on the type of person they are imo, especially if they've already collected over $100m in salary over their careers. Johan comes to mind with this as well. Have some honor for petes sake.

Guys like Cuddyer and Meche are a rare breed apparently. Those a honorable individuals.


I agree with this 1000%. You add in the fact that David has been rumored to have made over 100 million in his Vitamin water investments on top of the money he made in MLB and he really comes off looking pretty greedy. He's basically willing to hurt his team and the fans that supported him in order to collect money that he essentially doesn't need.


I could not disagree more.

First off not that it really matter, but according to Rubin he didn't make nearly that much money off of vitamin water.

Secondly it's clearly not just about the money at this point. The guy wanted to come back and play baseball. He wouldn't have put all this rehab work in otherwise. Same with Johan. Cuddyer walked away because he was ready to be done and didn't want to deal with the grind anymore not because he was medically unable or he just felt bad about taking money. Sure maybe it's "rare" in a sense for a player to be able to accept things like that and walk away, but I don't think it really makes him any better of a person. Maybe relative to the guy who is physically fine, but doesn't really want to play anymore and doesn't put the work in, but wants to get paid, the guy who walks away is better, but I don't think that comp is relevant here.

And lastly he's entitled to the money. It's not greedy to take it. Sure he can certainly live comfortably and wonderfully off the money he has already made, but he's still entitled to his contract. And the Mets are a corporation worth a lot more money than what Wright has made they certainly don't "need" the money either. its not selfish to prioritize his future family over a billion dollar corporation, it's common sense.

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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:26 am 
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Wright gets paid if he keeps trying to come back. Wright gets paid if he retires due to injury. How is he being greedy? By keeping someone who may never help the team anyway off the 40 man?


Seriously. This thread has jumped the shark accusing DW of being greedy trying to actually earn money he's getting one way or another.


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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:30 am 
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Does anyone know a single person who was entitled to money as indicated in a formal contract signed by multiple parties, but didn't take it out of principle, where that principle is "I want my employer to have more money to do stuff with"?

MLB teams commonly, as a matter of course, destroy careers of individual players (usually pitchers), for short-term glory. The only players who can successfully leverage the billions of dollars in the industry are superstars who have managed to make it to free agency, or become so good before free agency, that they have leverage to sign a long term guaranteed deal. It's the one place where labors appears to -- but still does not actually -- win.

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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
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I agree China.

It's a bit much to expect that from him. It's great if he offers the team a buyout for less but wrong to expect him to.

And not many people remember this but it was generally viewed as a team friendly deal when he signed it with a lot of deferred money.

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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
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I doubt he can offer a buyout for less or anything like that. The players association wouldn't allow it. The MLBPA has themselves in a much better position than NFL or other sports. Their contracts are full and guaranteed They will allow nothing that will soften that stance.

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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
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"Wright is greedy" is easily the worst take in the recent history of Mets fandom, and there have been some bad takes in Mets fandom.


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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
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"Wright is greedy" is easily the worst take in the recent history of Mets fandom, and there have been some bad takes in Mets fandom.


So what your saying is that if he drags this out for another two years, that there isn't some financial benefit to this for him? I find that hard to believe. I honestly don't believe that he gets every penny of the contract if he retires. And if he does, that means he has to somehow deal with the insurance companies. And we all know how much of a pain that can be. I understand athletes are competitive by nature but if this drags on for another year I have to believe there's something more going on than him wanting to get back to help the team.


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 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
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Guess I was raised different; an honest days pay for an honest days work. If you're not working and have no intention and/or ability of working, collecting money that isn't earned is not being an honorable person imo. Its just straight up greed to collect a full salary for three years when its clear you will never work again and have more than enough money to live on for several lifetimes. The decent and honorable thing to do is work out an arrangement with the organization for a modest buyout with the intent to work within the organization for those three years. Its quite possible DW ultimately does this because he seems to be a solid dude (like Cuddyer) but time will tell.

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