MESSAGE BOARDS TOOLS:  Search | Members | User Control Panel |   | Login 


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 51 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:30 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 6504
Again what does David Wright trying to play really cost the Mets other than a winter 40-man spot? I could see the point (craven as it is) if he was healthy enough to warm the bench and nothing else but if we're going letter of the law and saying David needs to bend over backwards and give $65 million back fine, then teams should have to show the same fealty and never cut, trade or demote a player under contract.

If we're going to demand David do the right thing for the franchise at great personal sacrifice then let the franchise pay guys like deGrom what they deserve. Let it go both ways.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:51 pm 
Online
NYFS Hall of Famer

Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:27 am
Posts: 5732
AllWrightNow wrote:
Again what does David Wright trying to play really cost the Mets other than a winter 40-man spot? I could see the point (craven as it is) if he was healthy enough to warm the bench and nothing else but if we're going letter of the law and saying David needs to bend over backwards and give $65 million back fine, then teams should have to show the same fealty and never cut, trade or demote a player under contract.

If we're going to demand David do the right thing for the franchise at great personal sacrifice then let the franchise pay guys like deGrom what they deserve. Let it go both ways.


Unfortunately I don't think he's costing the Mets anything significant. I think they are using him as an excuse to not pursue a long-term solution at 3B.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:02 pm 
Offline
Fan Favorite

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:14 am
Posts: 1724
AllWrightNow wrote:
Again what does David Wright trying to play really cost the Mets other than a winter 40-man spot? I could see the point (craven as it is) if he was healthy enough to warm the bench and nothing else but if we're going letter of the law and saying David needs to bend over backwards and give $65 million back fine, then teams should have to show the same fealty and never cut, trade or demote a player under contract.

If we're going to demand David do the right thing for the franchise at great personal sacrifice then let the franchise pay guys like deGrom what they deserve. Let it go both ways.


Great personal sacrifice? C'mon the guy has a super model for a wife and more money than he can spend in a lifetime. If he left that money on the table it wouldn't affect his life negatively at all. The only thing he's doing is making sure the Wilpon's have an excuse not to spend money on a legit third baseman. Don't get me wrong, I love Wright but him dragging this out is going to hurt the organization. If anything it enforces the notion in the Wilpon's mind that giving out long term deals is bad and going cheap is the way to go.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:09 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 6504
piazzafan wrote:
AllWrightNow wrote:
Again what does David Wright trying to play really cost the Mets other than a winter 40-man spot? I could see the point (craven as it is) if he was healthy enough to warm the bench and nothing else but if we're going letter of the law and saying David needs to bend over backwards and give $65 million back fine, then teams should have to show the same fealty and never cut, trade or demote a player under contract.

If we're going to demand David do the right thing for the franchise at great personal sacrifice then let the franchise pay guys like deGrom what they deserve. Let it go both ways.


Great personal sacrifice? C'mon the guy has a super model for a wife and more money than he can spend in a lifetime. If he left that money on the table it wouldn't affect his life negatively at all. The only thing he's doing is making sure the Wilpon's have an excuse not to spend money on a legit third baseman. Don't get me wrong, I love Wright but him dragging this out is going to hurt the organization. If anything it enforces the notion in the Wilpon's mind that giving out long term deals is bad and going cheap is the way to go.


That's easy for you and me to say, it isn't our $65 million to walk away from. It's not his job to bail out Fred and Jeff or the insurance companies. Granted I think David dragging it out at all (without a Prince Fielder-style 'I can't retire but I'm not physically able to play anymore' non-retirement retirement) beyond this year is just flat-out living in denial at this point. He can't even swing the bat without the shoulder acting up never mind all the other issues he has.

But it's extremely hypocritical for anyone to say 'well, the player needs to help out the team and the fans cause he can't play'. Why should the player do that when the team and the fans aren't going to do squat for players underpaid by the system or outperforming a contract? Especially when - AGAIN - David's deal is not actually costing the Mets all that much if he doesn't play again.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:31 am 
Offline
Fan Favorite

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:14 am
Posts: 1724
The fans have a lot to do with David being able to live a very comfortable life. His contract with the Mets has a lot to do with his popularity with his fans.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:48 am 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 6504
piazzafan wrote:
The fans have a lot to do with David being able to live a very comfortable life. His contract with the Mets has a lot to do with his popularity with his fans.


I suppose it had everything to do with the fans and nothing to do with the fact David was actually pretty darn good at baseball once.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:06 am 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:36 pm
Posts: 25846
Location: Contemplating the meaning of life, and why god made me a Mets fan
piazzafan wrote:
The fans have a lot to do with David being able to live a very comfortable life. His contract with the Mets has a lot to do with his popularity with his fans.


He didn't need popularity with Mets fans to get paid. He could have taken advantage of free agency and would have gotten a lot more money from another team (with a fanbase that didn't know him all that well) than he got from the Mets. Besides, the reason he was popular was because he was great at his job and seemingly a good guy.

And him not wanting to retire isn't "hurting the fans"

_________________
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
"Wright is greedy" is easily the worst take in the recent history of Mets fandom, and there have been some bad takes in Mets fandom.

Rich Coutinho wrote:
When I hear Yankee fans whine I always laugh. It is like the people who invented the color blue complaining about life


RIP uapeople


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:32 am 
User avatar
Offline
Rookie

Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:53 am
Posts: 644
I honestly don't even understand the controversy here. If you got a chance to play major league freaking baseball! - and to be a beloved star at that- would you give it up before you absolutely had no other choice? They'd have to drag my uniform off ala Rickey and Julio Franco.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:33 am 
Offline
Fan Favorite

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:14 am
Posts: 1724
SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
I honestly don't even understand the controversy here. If you got a chance to play major league freaking baseball! - and to be a beloved star at that- would you give it up before you absolutely had no other choice? They'd have to drag my uniform off ala Rickey and Julio Franco.


It's obvious that he's finished at this point. Maybe when he's in a wheel chair (God forbid) and he's still showing up to rehab, people will realize there's more at play here than a guy who loves baseball. He's barely played at all in the last 3 years. Like I said there's a reason he's not giving it up and it has nothing to do with wanting to help the team or him loving baseball so much. I don't think the narrative that he gets paid every dime no matter what is necessarily true. I wish him well no matter what he decides because he's a good guy.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:44 am 
Offline
Veteran Presence

Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:25 pm
Posts: 4504
Why is there a reason? He feels like he can overcome the odds...He maybe living in denial at this point but he's going to try until he's exhausted all options. Plus it's a sad way to go out and I'm sure he doesn't want to retire this way. He may feel he has an obligation to return and honor his contract. Wright is VERY prideful, I mean if he's in the pain he's described, there's no way he should be trying to play baseball but there he goes trying to rehab and get out on the field to play a game he loves. Hell he was taking 3-4 hours just to get his body ready to play years ago...That in itself is crazy and sad at the same time. I feel for him.

_________________
eternal optimist

You will be missed Carlos!

Remember Met fans, every trade is different and independent from the rest. TIS...Trust in Sandy!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:07 pm 
User avatar
Online
NYFS Staff

Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:37 am
Posts: 23303
Location: charleston, sc
A contract is a contract. He has a responsibility to try to honor it, they have a responsibility to pay it.

_________________
"The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." Steven Biko


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What does it mean if David Wright retires?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:09 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:36 pm
Posts: 25846
Location: Contemplating the meaning of life, and why god made me a Mets fan
piazzafan wrote:
SergioTheLittleMan wrote:
I honestly don't even understand the controversy here. If you got a chance to play major league freaking baseball! - and to be a beloved star at that- would you give it up before you absolutely had no other choice? They'd have to drag my uniform off ala Rickey and Julio Franco.


It's obvious that he's finished at this point. Maybe when he's in a wheel chair (God forbid) and he's still showing up to rehab, people will realize there's more at play here than a guy who loves baseball. He's barely played at all in the last 3 years. Like I said there's a reason he's not giving it up and it has nothing to do with wanting to help the team or him loving baseball so much. I don't think the narrative that he gets paid every dime no matter what is necessarily true. I wish him well no matter what he decides because he's a good guy.


You really think all of this has "nothing" to do with loving to play baseball and wanting to come back and play for the Mets? That is rather hard to believe. It's not like he had to try to play rehab games this year or lose his whole salary. And Prince Fielder, Albert Belle and others are players who got their full salary without actively trying to return. In the wheelchair scenario you describe, he'd certainly be in that medically unable to play category (which he may be in now). He could have theoretically quit before being declared medically unable - and in that case he wouldn't get the money - but also in that case it's perfectly reasonable for him to continue to try to play since docs would still be telling him it's possible. And even if they are telling him not to play....the only real issue would be what he's potentially doing to his long term health...not what he's doing to the Mets finances

_________________
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
"Wright is greedy" is easily the worst take in the recent history of Mets fandom, and there have been some bad takes in Mets fandom.

Rich Coutinho wrote:
When I hear Yankee fans whine I always laugh. It is like the people who invented the color blue complaining about life


RIP uapeople


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 51 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Asbury Mark, Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], HeyNowHK, jdawginsc, luciferase, MarkJohnson>You, Mavericknyc1980, Metro2007, Metsfan980, slugox, SNESandMets, Steve The Original, underdog and 142 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group


SUPPORT NYFS VIA OUR NETWORK OF SITES: FIND AN AA MEETING | FIND A JOB NEAR YOU | SUICIDE DEPRESSION ADDICTION HELP | BOOK REVIEWS EDITORIAL | LOCAL DOCTORS HOSPITAL EMERGENCY CARE | HOME REPAIR CONTRACTOR BUILDER AC HEAT | LOCAL LIVE MUSIC OPEN MIC JAM | FIND YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND WHERE TO VOTE | WOMEN VETERANS HELP SUPPORT AND RESOURCES | THE SOULCIALISTS LIVE LOCAL PIANO MUSIC TREASURE COAST | PET FRIENDLY PARKS HOTELS | SOLAR WIND RENEWABLE POWER | FILE TAX RETURN ATTORNEY | 4G SEO SMART PHONES TABLET WEB | BIRTHDAY PARTY RENTAL CHARACTERS | HOMES APARTMENTS FOR SALE OR RENT NEAR YOU | SPORT COURT GYM FITNESS CLUB TRACK FIELD | GOLF BEACH RESORT HOTELS RESTAURANTS BED BREAKFAST | HEALTH LIFE AUTO HOME INSURANCE QUOTE | METRO BUS TRAIN SUBWAY AIRPORT HELIPORT | VETERAN TIPS CRAFT DIY RECIPES | ATM BRANCH CONSOLIDATION STUDENT CREDIT LOAN RATES | LOCAL NEWS AND RSS FEEDS | CHRISTMAS BLACK FRIDAY BACK TO SCHOOL SALE | LATEST E NEWS ON MOVIES TV GAMES GIFTS BOOKS | LAST MINUTE ANNIVERSARY BIRTHDAY HOUSE WARMING GIFTS NEAR YOU | LOCAL ARTS CRAFTS SUPPLY STORE | LOCAL HEALTHY HEART DIABETIC RESTAURANTS AND STORES | CHURCH TEMPLE MOSQUE OR PLACE OF WORSHIP NEAR YOU | LOCAL LINKS TO RESTAURANTS AIRPORTS DRUG STORES | DRUG OXY OPIATE ALCOHOL PHYSICAL REHAB | SUICIDE HOTLINE DANIELLE COLBERT PHOTO MUG SHOT | © Untraditional Media

The%20Soulcialists