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 Post subject: Minors - Labor Day edition
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:43 am 
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Season finale for Vegas and Cola: Albaledejo and Brantley

Reg season finale for Bingo: Jannis (playoffs begin Wednesday - best of 5 with Trenton)

Double dip for Brooklyn: McAuliffe and TBD. Their last game is Thursday.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:52 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Minors - Labor Day edition
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Evans and Boyd finished strong with 2 hits apiece as Vegas wins their last game 4-1. Both had very strong second halves which would seemingly be enough for each to get September looks but for possible 40 complications. But given the current makeup of this roster, don't they really need to see these two?

Bingo won again with 6 pitchers combining.

Cola drops their finale 4-2.

And the Cyclones split their DHer.


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 Post subject: Re: Minors - Labor Day edition
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:20 pm 
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Boyd last 200 PAs has a 942 OPS - 316/388/554. 142 RC+ That's roughly 6th in the PCL.

Evans last 293 PAs has a 901 OPS - 331/379/522. That's about a 133 RC+ and about 12th best in the PCL.

If you're wondering, Evans at 24 is prob right on the avg age for the PCL. Boyd at 26 is a little beyond the avg but he's not ancient. I know people are scoffing at the notion of either of these guys as "prospects" but this Mets team isn't in the position to be so arrogant or dismissive of potential assets. More to the point, they have nothing to lose by seeing what they have in these two.

I will admit that I wonder what to expect of Boyd in the OF since he DHs a lot... and hasn't played 1B since 2014. Likewise have low expectations of Evans IF glove but in a backup role, you def value bat over glove and he has experience all over the IF so there is some versatility.


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It will be interesting to see if the Mets deem anyone else from Vegas worthy of a call up now that the season is over. We know Gsellman and McGowan will be here, but do they give Tom Gorzellany or Travis Snider a look? Neil Wagner? I'll be pleasantly surprised if Evans or Boyd get the call.


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 Post subject: Re: Minors - Labor Day edition
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It will be interesting to see if the Mets deem anyone else from Vegas worthy of a call up now that the season is over. We know Gsellman and McGowan will be here, but do they give Tom Gorzellany or Travis Snider a look? Neil Wagner? I'll be pleasantly surprised if Evans or Boyd get the call.

If they were to add anyone else, how would they possibly justify giving that opportunity to a retread like Gorz or Wagner over rewarding someone who they developed?


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It will be interesting to see if the Mets deem anyone else from Vegas worthy of a call up now that the season is over. We know Gsellman and McGowan will be here, but do they give Tom Gorzellany or Travis Snider a look? Neil Wagner? I'll be pleasantly surprised if Evans or Boyd get the call.

If they were to add anyone else, how would they possibly justify giving that opportunity to a retread like Gorz or Wagner over rewarding someone who they developed?

Future 40 man considerations.


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Promote Evans and Boyd so they can sit on the bench and watch Reyes and Cabrera play.


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 Post subject: Re: Minors - Labor Day edition
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ilikeike29 wrote:
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sluger11787 wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the Mets deem anyone else from Vegas worthy of a call up now that the season is over. We know Gsellman and McGowan will be here, but do they give Tom Gorzellany or Travis Snider a look? Neil Wagner? I'll be pleasantly surprised if Evans or Boyd get the call.

If they were to add anyone else, how would they possibly justify giving that opportunity to a retread like Gorz or Wagner over rewarding someone who they developed?

Future 40 man considerations.

Hmm, this team is likely to lose over 90 games with a lowly farm system at the moment. So this seems like a false reason to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Minors - Labor Day edition
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Hmm, this team is likely to lose over 90 games with a lowly farm system at the moment. So this seems like a false reason to me.


Why do you put such little weight on the 40-man roster/Rule 5 when it is one of the hardest things for any one organization to manage? For instance, if the Mets decide to add a fringe type player now to the 40 man roster and then decide they need to clear his spot this offseason, they would have to DFA him and potentially lose him to another organization who only has to add the player to their 40 man roster. There is no obligation by the other organization to then keep the player in the majors all year in this scenario. They have three years of options on him. Alternatively, if the Mets wait out the season, gamble with the Rule 5 and then another team picks that same player in the Rule 5, the likelihood of losing said player is slimmer since the likelihood of ANY team keeping the player all year on their 25 man roster is quite slim. Even if you think there is a very slim chance that player ever makes it in your own organization, why waste multiple years of development just so another organization can reap any potential reward (however slim that is)?

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 Post subject: Re: Minors - Labor Day edition
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Hmm, this team is likely to lose over 90 games with a lowly farm system at the moment. So this seems like a false reason to me.


Why do you put such little weight on the 40-man roster/Rule 5 when it is one of the hardest things for any one organization to manage? For instance, if the Mets decide to add a fringe type player now to the 40 man roster and then decide they need to clear his spot this offseason, they would have to DFA him and potentially lose him to another organization who only has to add the player to their 40 man roster. There is no obligation by the other organization to then keep the player in the majors all year in this scenario. They have three years of options on him. Alternatively, if the Mets wait out the season, gamble with the Rule 5 and then another team picks that same player in the Rule 5, the likelihood of losing said player is slimmer since the likelihood of ANY team keeping the player all year on their 25 man roster is quite slim. Even if you think there is a very slim chance that player ever makes it in your own organization, why waste multiple years of development just so another organization can reap any potential reward (however slim that is)?


Agree with this (why I always lean towards "no" when we have Rule 5 protection discussions - if its a question, easier to justify leaving him off), but I think with Evans (maybe Boyd?), they're actually milb FA's this offseason.

I don't have any real burning desire to see either guy, but its not as simple as gambling with Rule 5. Its gambling with 29 other clubs having the ability to go out and bring a guy into the org even without a 40 man spot, whereas the 40 man spot guarantees 3 more years of control at the least.


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Ralf wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
Hmm, this team is likely to lose over 90 games with a lowly farm system at the moment. So this seems like a false reason to me.


Why do you put such little weight on the 40-man roster/Rule 5 when it is one of the hardest things for any one organization to manage? For instance, if the Mets decide to add a fringe type player now to the 40 man roster and then decide they need to clear his spot this offseason, they would have to DFA him and potentially lose him to another organization who only has to add the player to their 40 man roster. There is no obligation by the other organization to then keep the player in the majors all year in this scenario. They have three years of options on him. Alternatively, if the Mets wait out the season, gamble with the Rule 5 and then another team picks that same player in the Rule 5, the likelihood of losing said player is slimmer since the likelihood of ANY team keeping the player all year on their 25 man roster is quite slim. Even if you think there is a very slim chance that player ever makes it in your own organization, why waste multiple years of development just so another organization can reap any potential reward (however slim that is)?


Not even sure if this is serious or not. If so, my lack of interest in the 40 brow beating is that there are just so few players in this org worth taking the time to discuss. I see already that people are getting worked up over a UT IFer with zero bat. People got all kinds of silly over Wilmer Becerra a year ago and Nido and Molina, etc. There are prob an easy 10 players or more who can be or will be dropped from the 40 w/o dropping a bead of sweat. The opportunity to see an Evans or Boyd these last 4 weeks - potential 2018 assets - certainly trumps the notion that it will cause any 40 distress. That just seems like a contrived claim to me, given our particular circumstances.


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