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 Post subject: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:20 pm 
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Binghamton was no-hit tonight and is now trailing the best-of-5 series, 2-1.

Marcos Molina allowed 1 run over 6 innings.

The Yankees called up Taylor Widener to piggyback Justus Sheffield. It ended up being quite the Double-A debut.


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:53 am 
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Being no hit is lousy but win or lose in the playoffs, Binghampton had a great year with a roster long on yawn.....

Molina has not been spectacular but has been steady. Not sure if he still is a prospect but heck, he is progressing and will be in AAA next year (Vegas, if the Mets protect him). Any insights?


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:57 pm 
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Joefrompgh wrote:
Being no hit is lousy but win or lose in the playoffs, Binghampton had a great year with a roster long on yawn.....

Molina has not been spectacular but has been steady. Not sure if he still is a prospect but heck, he is progressing and will be in AAA next year (Vegas, if the Mets protect him). Any insights?


Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the site overall is just too down on our mid-level pitching. I love syndergaard and degrom as much as the next guy, and wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Ethan Hankins as a high-powered (yet always risky) HS righty next June if he's there.... but there isn't a rule that you have to throw 95 to make the big leagues. You know what I'd rather have than watching wheeler, harvey, and Matz get shelled while searching for their highest octane fastball??? Guys who can command low-90s with deception.

Velocity gets you drafted high, gets you some pretty articles from the way-too-linear prospect hounds, and helps move you along at a faster clip..... but performance still gets you your promotions.

If we have a healrhy Thor and degrom we need a steady innings-eating backend starter or two more than an off-and-on dl-bound #3. Let's give Molina, Oswalt, Conlon, and Flexen their chances before moving on to the next flavor of the month that is flashing similar stuff in single-A. Rant over and not directed at the OP, just an umbrella statement that I've been gearing up on more and more the last month.


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:47 pm 
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The Binghamton season has come to a close.

Will Tomas Nido be getting a phone call?


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:34 am 
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sluger11787 wrote:
The Binghamton season has come to a close.

Will Tomas Nido be getting a phone call?


Talk about unearned.

Back to the days of Mike Nickeas?


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:37 am 
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sluger11787 wrote:
The Binghamton season has come to a close.

Will Tomas Nido be getting a phone call?


Talk about unearned.

Back to the days of Mike Nickeas?


Its not like we have to make a tough decision about adding him to the 40 man. He's already on there. Might as well carry an extra catcher the rest of the way. Let him see what its like. He won't see a game behind the dish but he can still learn.

Although, there is the added $ the Wilpons would have to shell out these last three weeks so....

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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:12 pm 
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degromination wrote:
Joefrompgh wrote:
Being no hit is lousy but win or lose in the playoffs, Binghampton had a great year with a roster long on yawn.....

Molina has not been spectacular but has been steady. Not sure if he still is a prospect but heck, he is progressing and will be in AAA next year (Vegas, if the Mets protect him). Any insights?


Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the site overall is just too down on our mid-level pitching. I love syndergaard and degrom as much as the next guy, and wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Ethan Hankins as a high-powered (yet always risky) HS righty next June if he's there.... but there isn't a rule that you have to throw 95 to make the big leagues. You know what I'd rather have than watching wheeler, harvey, and Matz get shelled while searching for their highest octane fastball??? Guys who can command low-90s with deception.

Velocity gets you drafted high, gets you some pretty articles from the way-too-linear prospect hounds, and helps move you along at a faster clip..... but performance still gets you your promotions.

If we have a healrhy Thor and degrom we need a steady innings-eating backend starter or two more than an off-and-on dl-bound #3. Let's give Molina, Oswalt, Conlon, and Flexen their chances before moving on to the next flavor of the month that is flashing similar stuff in single-A. Rant over and not directed at the OP, just an umbrella statement that I've been gearing up on more and more the last month.


Excellent points!

I am in agreement that one doesn't need to throw mid-to-high 90's to be anywhere in the spectrum of excellent to serviceable. And those who have a plus FB and average or below average everything else tend to not last long as once they lose a few mph and movement on the FB they either have to learn to adjust or learn that becoming irrelevant may happen easily and quickly (Matt Harvey). Most pitchers do not have the great change-up that made Johan Santana an excellent pitcher not only when he threw 95 but also when he could barely top 90. His no hitter featured FB's averaging 87-88.


So yes, there really may be a career for the PJ Conlon's of the world. You know why? Because most pitchers ARE the PJ Conlon's of the world and many of them have been or are darn good pitchers.


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:52 pm 
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Considering the Mets moved Conlon to the pen already odds are THEY don't see him being a "darn good" starter.

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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:05 pm 
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Also not to single out PJ Conlon but

":You know why? Because most pitchers ARE the PJ Conlon's of the world and many of them have been or are darn good pitchers."

Just isn't based in reality. Successful SP that throw mid-high 80's are NOT the norm. Of course you find a guy like Jason Vargas once in a while but in 2017 Vargas and Dickey are the only 2 SP with an average FB below 90 mph. PJ Conlon being successful as a SP would be an anomaly not the norm.

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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:08 pm 
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Softest tossing LHP in 2017

Vargas 85.7
Gio 89.9
Blach 90.0
Richard 90.7
Garcia 90.7

So Vargas would be the only "Conlon-like" LHP in baseball in 2017

And save me "What about Moyer? Buerhle?"... sure it happens, but it's unusual.

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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:14 pm 
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I was just singling out Conlon as an example. However, from what I have read his velocity (88-90) is closer to Geo than it is to Vargas. As to moving him to the pen, it may have been to keep his innings down to what he pitched in the prior year. He DID have 3 complete games in '17. Anyhoo, Metro, I hear you. In the end, however, it is all a crap shoot. The best pitchers will rise and certainly, a pitcher who can dial it up to 94/95 would seemingly have a better chance than one who may hit 90 on a clear day. But, if one who has less FB steam moves up and begs for a chance, he should be given that chance because he may really have something else to compensate for a meh fastball.


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 Post subject: Re: Binghamton Playoff Thread
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:30 pm 
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Joefrompgh wrote:
I was just singling out Conlon as an example. However, from what I have read his velocity (88-90) is closer to Geo than it is to Vargas. As to moving him to the pen, it may have been to keep his innings down to what he pitched in the prior year. He DID have 3 complete games in '17. Anyhoo, Metro, I hear you. In the end, however, it is all a crap shoot. The best pitchers will rise and certainly, a pitcher who can dial it up to 94/95 would seemingly have a better chance than one who may hit 90 on a clear day. But, if one who has less FB steam moves up and begs for a chance, he should be given that chance because he may really have something else to compensate for a meh fastball.



MLB.com had him 86-88, Conlon self-scouted himself at 87-90 which again would be on the extreme low end of MLB SP (if a guy like Gio AVERAGES 89.9 that means he's throwing harder than a guy 87-90) and his move to the pen was not innings related per those in the know. He threw 142 innings in 2016, he threw LESS innings in 2017 thanks to his move to the pen. Conlon himself wasn't given an answer as to why he was moved. I'm not trying to knock Conlon but his profile would be unusual for a successful MLB starter not "normal". There are plenty of successful guys who sit 91-93 and those types "who knows?" but the mid-upper 80's types are rare.

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