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Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:42 pm

Metro2007 wrote:
R Nitelight wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:

Half of the owed money is spread over 7 years after the contract ends. He's basically making 14 per season for 14 years. I know you aren't into Sabermetrics etc but he's basically 1 normal season from him from being worth his contract. In "current' money his deal was worthy 170 million over the 7 years he signed for. The "210" totally BS.



Bobby Bonilla sez hi.


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Bobby Bonilla's contract is routinely mocked but in terms of the Mets and how they operate fans should take moves like that 10 out of 10 times. Why should anyone care if Bonilla gets 1 million a year for 500 years? Good for Bobby and "zero" impact on the Mets. As a fan I'd prefer David Wright gets "more" money spread over many more years.


Zero impact for the Mets? Isn’t this the team that is thought to always be pinching pennies? Wouldn’t you rather the $1M be allocated to the current team and not someone from a quarter century ago?

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:47 pm

1 million is nothing, even to the Mets and their penny pinching ways. That's less than they paid Tommy Milone this year. The Bonilla contract is so overblown. Scherzer has been absolutely incredible. If the contract structure spread over 14 seasons allowed them to land him the fans surely aren't complaining. I'd prefer the Mets pay David Wright 60 million over 20 years than 47 over the next 3. One has more impact on the team than the other.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:47 pm

Metro2007 wrote:
R Nitelight wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:

Half of the owed money is spread over 7 years after the contract ends. He's basically making 14 per season for 14 years. I know you aren't into Sabermetrics etc but he's basically 1 normal season from him from being worth his contract. In "current' money his deal was worthy 170 million over the 7 years he signed for. The "210" totally BS.



Bobby Bonilla sez hi.


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OK, so I'm not the only one not concerned about this annual payment.

Bobby Bonilla's contract is routinely mocked but in terms of the Mets and how they operate fans should take moves like that 10 out of 10 times. Why should anyone care if Bonilla gets 1 million a year for 500 years? Good for Bobby and "zero" impact on the Mets. As a fan I'd prefer David Wright gets "more" money spread over many more years.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:49 pm

"To criticize the deal is to not understand that Bonilla gained nothing and the Mets actually came out ahead in the deal.

If Bonilla had accepted the $5.9 million in 2000 and invested the entire amount at 8% interest, the original investment would have grown to $104.1 million by 2035*. If instead, Bonilla takes his annual payment and invests that with an 8% annual return, he would have $95.2 million by 2035….

But more importantly to the Mets, if they invested the $5.9 million at 8% interest in 2000. That money would have grown to more than $14 million before they had to make a single payment. And that money would continue to draw interest even while they are making payments."

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-co ... lla-2013-7

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:03 pm

LTKfRGM wrote:
Ralf wrote:Have they learned nothing with Lagares?

The better course would be to wait until he and his agent submit a number for arbitration and just pay him that each of the next three years.


Because not signing Murphy to an extension worked out so well.


They didn't want Murphy. Totally different criticism.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:04 pm

$1M is a lot different than $14 each year for seven years to not play for me. That actually hurts the bottom line of the team (well, at least the Mets).

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:42 pm

Metro2007 wrote:
R Nitelight wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:

Half of the owed money is spread over 7 years after the contract ends. He's basically making 14 per season for 14 years. I know you aren't into Sabermetrics etc but he's basically 1 normal season from him from being worth his contract. In "current' money his deal was worthy 170 million over the 7 years he signed for. The "210" totally BS.



Bobby Bonilla sez hi.


8)



Bobby Bonilla's contract is routinely mocked but in terms of the Mets and how they operate fans should take moves like that 10 out of 10 times. Why should anyone care if Bonilla gets 1 million a year for 500 years? Good for Bobby and "zero" impact on the Mets. As a fan I'd prefer David Wright gets "more" money spread over many more years.


I hate it because I imagine that $2.2 mil a year feeling like $22.2 mil to the Wilpons and clouding their judgment about everything else they do.

In other words, the Bobby Bo curse is real and we ain't winning nothing until at least 2035.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:43 pm

yalikeMetroplitans wrote:$1M is a lot different than $14 each year for seven years to not play for me. That actually hurts the bottom line of the team (well, at least the Mets).



But you worry about that later when it comes to a Max Scherzer. The Nats are trying to win a WS. Can't have it both ways. Can't both add great players and not pay them. This way it's "only" 14 million per year now and 14 later. Allows you to spend more money now. Max Scherzer is worth WAY more than 14 million per year. Greinke makes 34 million per year, David Price 31. The Nats get to be "this good" in part because they are paying Scherzer roughly league average starter prices to be an absolute superstar level pitcher. Kershaw 34 million per season.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:45 pm

The Bonilla contract move was brilliant in the way that giving Rick DiPietro a 15 year contact "because they'll be paying him way below market value the last 9 years of the deal" was brilliant.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:56 pm

nocedog wrote:The Bonilla contract move was brilliant in the way that giving Rick DiPietro a 15 year contact "because they'll be paying him way below market value the last 9 years of the deal" was brilliant.



The difference between Scherzer and Bonilla/DiPietro is the Nationals are legit getting a MASSIVE return on their decision to give Scherzer this deal. In 3 seasons since signing the deal Scherzer is 3rd in fWAR, 2nd in wins, 6th in FIP and a MAJOR reason why the Nats may win a WS. So if they wanted Scherzer what's "better" in terms of roster construction and trying to win while they still have Harper, Strasburg's arm is still on etc 7 years at market value (roughly 30 million per) or "14" years at less than half that which allows them to have more talent on the roster?

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:18 pm

The idea that you should never pay a player before FA is just playing scared. Even small markets have to sometimes take a risk signing players before FA to keep them longer, at reasonable contracts. There's no way the Mets are going to sign deGrom at 33 for 4-5 years, but if you sign him now for a couple of those UFA years maybe you can avoid the probable onerous back end and at less than FA price.

I don't know how many UFA years I want to sign deGrom for - 2, 3? That would take him to age 35-36 which is pushing it for any pitcher this side of Verlander (who's still got a couple years on his deal). And CC didn't turn out to be a terrible deal in the end though it looked that way for a while.

Re: Mets to "explore" extension with DeGrom

Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:24 pm

Keeping in mind that dG made $4M this season and has 3 arb yrs to go, what would an extension look like? 4/58M with a 5th yr option at $20M?

Going much beyond that is prob not worth doing if you're the Mets. He's prob looking at $45M in Arb for the next 3 yrs. Shave off a little to get the security if you're him, otherwise you're just gambling that your arm stays intact.
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