MESSAGE BOARDS TOOLS:  Search | Members | User Control Panel |   | Login 


All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 228 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:51 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Manager

Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:36 pm
Posts: 6504
That's what everyone said about Piazza too. And Sanchez throws out runners a bit better than Mike did. He just doesn't do the other stuff behind the plate (blocking balls, getting in the right position for plays at the plate) that you would think at some point could be taught or at least not be as prevalent as it was this year.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:01 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:16 pm
Posts: 12281
LTKfRGM wrote:
Hilltop wrote:
Steve The Original wrote:

Wait a minute...you’re faulting the Yankees for using big money that the Mets have and refuse to part with of “milking the system?” I have to laugh. The Wilpons have plenty of money to spend and play in the big leagues. They choose not to. But tell me, was it money that caused the Mets to draft Dom Smith and the Yankees draft Aaron Judge in the same year? The Yankees pulled off a brilliant trade in acquiring Chapman from the Reds for peanuts and then traded him for one of the top prospects in the game. Yankees signed Andrew Miller to a contract the Mets certainly could have afforded and then proceeded to trade him for a top prospect in Clint Frazier. Yankees took on salary and traded for a young excellent set up man, 7th inning at worst Kahnle, took back Robertson a very good set up man/closer and picked up a few months of salary in Todd Frazier. I’m so sick and tired of people blaming the Yankees for actually acting like a big market team. The Mets play by the same exact rules and decide NOT to. Let’s face facts. The Yankees have better owners and a better front office than the Mets do. It’s pretty simple


Well said.


Small point to add to this.

The Yankees got Judge because they had money to spend a roster stacked with free agents and QOs to offer. They got 2 compensation picks in 2013 for two players they signed in earlier years.

They gave Soriano 2 years 21, and QO'd him. Swisher was traded for, then resigned and then given the QO. Smart trade, but having money to offer him the QO didn't hurt.

They also got QO for Granderson and likely a few others players. The QO system is changed now, but it was set up where teams with money could take advantage and collect late first round picks a couple years after signing free agents. The Yankees did that.

Want proof? 13 QOs offered, 3 by the Yanks, 3 by the Redsox. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/63678306

The Yanks got Judge cause they had 3 first round picks. He was their 2nd choice. Their other 2 first rounders don't stand out, so I'd say it had to do with the number of picks they had over their brilliance.

The Chapman trade was smart, but they were willing to take on some bad press and adding his contract was like nothing to them which didn't hurt.


The Yankees "First" First round pick was traded in the Chapman deal. Adding Chapman's contract wouldn't have hurt the Mets. And because the Yankees did it, they traded him and got back Gleyber Torres. But the main point is that the Mets play in the same market as the Yankees do. They can afford to make the same kinds of deals that the Yankees. do. They choose not to.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:02 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:16 pm
Posts: 12281
AllWrightNow wrote:
That's what everyone said about Piazza too. And Sanchez throws out runners a bit better than Mike did. He just doesn't do the other stuff behind the plate (blocking balls, getting in the right position for plays at the plate) that you would think at some point could be taught or at least not be as prevalent as it was this year.


I have to think they give him next year as a Catcher to improve and that's it. Pitchers can't throw to a catcher they don't trust.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:05 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:12 pm
Posts: 38265
Location: Panic City
Piazza could catch. He just couldn't throw.


8)

_________________
Whatever.

8)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:35 pm 
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:09 am
Posts: 11660
Location: Somebody's stolen my avatar
Steve The Original wrote:

The Yankees "First" First round pick was traded in the Chapman deal. Adding Chapman's contract wouldn't have hurt the Mets. And because the Yankees did it, they traded him and got back Gleyber Torres. But the main point is that the Mets play in the same market as the Yankees do. They can afford to make the same kinds of deals that the Yankees. do. They choose not to.


The Wilpons have debt, the Steinbrenner's don't. If the Wilpons spent like the Steinbrenners, they'd run risk of defaulting on their debt and losing the team. They really can't match the Yankees in spending.

In time, if/when the mets are sold, then maybe we'll see them match the Yankees. But none of that changes my initial point. I don't like teams that buy titles in a league where only a handful of teams have that advantage. I don't like the system and I don't like the teams that do it.

The Knicks have tried to buy titles, but the NBA system works. Smaller market teams can build dynastys in the NBA system. MLB's system is broken, they're trying to fix it and maybe the new international rules and revision of the draft compensation thing will help. We won't see the effects for several years, but it might be fixed now. Time will tell.

Just to reiterate: The Yankees has 21 first round picks between 2003 and 2017 (last 15 years). The Mets had 18. So in addition to all the big money free agent signings the Yankees signed, they were able to flip enough free agents from their own team that they didn't keep to get more first round picks than many teams too, and until the draft slot bonuses were in place, they outspent 90% of the other teams in the later rounds too.

_________________
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist." - Dom Hélder Câmara

I've always loved a good underdog story. Go Mets (2018). I know an underdog when I see one.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:58 am 
User avatar
Offline
Exec. VP Baseball Operations

Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:59 pm
Posts: 8128
Location: Land of the Nats and Redskins
R Nitelight wrote:
Piazza could catch. He just couldn't throw.


8)


Agreed. Piazza was actually a pretty good catcher and good at blocking balls/stealing calls. He just couldn't throw guys out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:49 am 
Offline
NYFS Hall of Famer

Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:27 am
Posts: 5732
Hilltop wrote:
R Nitelight wrote:
Piazza could catch. He just couldn't throw.


8)


Agreed. Piazza was actually a pretty good catcher and good at blocking balls/stealing calls. He just couldn't throw guys out.


I never remember Piazza muffing balls coming in from the OF the way Sanchez did in this series.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:13 pm 
User avatar
Offline
NYFS Staff

Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:37 am
Posts: 23311
Location: charleston, sc
Piazza was actually a very good backstop. Blocked the plate...balls in dirt...calling games. His ONLy catching weakness were the throws.

_________________
"The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." Steven Biko


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:22 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Everyday Player

Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:36 pm
Posts: 1340
We also didn’t really see Piazza catch big league pitching his first few years. He was a seasoned vet when we got him


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:36 am 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:01 am
Posts: 23737
Location: Pittsburgh
jdawginsc wrote:
Piazza was actually a very good backstop. Blocked the plate...balls in dirt...calling games. His ONLy catching weakness were the throws.


I feel like if he had played in the current era he would have received greater appreciation for his catching abilities. At the time he played looking at caught stealing percentage was essentially peak analytics, at least outside of teams' proprietary data, so he got a world of crap for being poor at throwing and zero respect for all the things he did well.

_________________
Baseball has a way of ripping your ❤️ out, stabbing it, putting it back in your chest, then healing itself just in time for Spring Training. - Thor


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:38 am 
User avatar
Offline
Legend of NYFS

Joined: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:01 am
Posts: 23737
Location: Pittsburgh
nocedog wrote:
We also didn’t really see Piazza catch big league pitching his first few years. He was a seasoned vet when we got him


He'd also been catching for all of three years when he broke into the bigs. I don't know that we would see that happen today.

_________________
Baseball has a way of ripping your ❤️ out, stabbing it, putting it back in your chest, then healing itself just in time for Spring Training. - Thor


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: IGT - 10/3/17 Yankee Elimination Night
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:00 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Exec. VP Baseball Operations

Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:59 pm
Posts: 8128
Location: Land of the Nats and Redskins
northway wrote:
jdawginsc wrote:
Piazza was actually a very good backstop. Blocked the plate...balls in dirt...calling games. His ONLy catching weakness were the throws.


I feel like if he had played in the current era he would have received greater appreciation for his catching abilities. At the time he played looking at caught stealing percentage was essentially peak analytics, at least outside of teams' proprietary data, so he got a world of crap for being poor at throwing and zero respect for all the things he did well.


Very true.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 228 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: chinabox, Daaaarryyl, Disco Ball, Google [Bot], Metro2007, SergioTheLittleMan, SNESandMets and 119 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group


SUPPORT NYFS VIA OUR NETWORK OF SITES: FIND AN AA MEETING | FIND A JOB NEAR YOU | SUICIDE DEPRESSION ADDICTION HELP | BOOK REVIEWS EDITORIAL | LOCAL DOCTORS HOSPITAL EMERGENCY CARE | HOME REPAIR CONTRACTOR BUILDER AC HEAT | LOCAL LIVE MUSIC OPEN MIC JAM | FIND YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND WHERE TO VOTE | WOMEN VETERANS HELP SUPPORT AND RESOURCES | THE SOULCIALISTS LIVE LOCAL PIANO MUSIC TREASURE COAST | PET FRIENDLY PARKS HOTELS | SOLAR WIND RENEWABLE POWER | FILE TAX RETURN ATTORNEY | 4G SEO SMART PHONES TABLET WEB | BIRTHDAY PARTY RENTAL CHARACTERS | HOMES APARTMENTS FOR SALE OR RENT NEAR YOU | SPORT COURT GYM FITNESS CLUB TRACK FIELD | GOLF BEACH RESORT HOTELS RESTAURANTS BED BREAKFAST | HEALTH LIFE AUTO HOME INSURANCE QUOTE | METRO BUS TRAIN SUBWAY AIRPORT HELIPORT | VETERAN TIPS CRAFT DIY RECIPES | ATM BRANCH CONSOLIDATION STUDENT CREDIT LOAN RATES | LOCAL NEWS AND RSS FEEDS | CHRISTMAS BLACK FRIDAY BACK TO SCHOOL SALE | LATEST E NEWS ON MOVIES TV GAMES GIFTS BOOKS | LAST MINUTE ANNIVERSARY BIRTHDAY HOUSE WARMING GIFTS NEAR YOU | LOCAL ARTS CRAFTS SUPPLY STORE | LOCAL HEALTHY HEART DIABETIC RESTAURANTS AND STORES | CHURCH TEMPLE MOSQUE OR PLACE OF WORSHIP NEAR YOU | LOCAL LINKS TO RESTAURANTS AIRPORTS DRUG STORES | DRUG OXY OPIATE ALCOHOL PHYSICAL REHAB | SUICIDE HOTLINE DANIELLE COLBERT PHOTO MUG SHOT | © Untraditional Media

The%20Soulcialists