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Poll ended at Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:59 am
Phil Evans (Util) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 54%  54%  [ 13 ]
Anthony Kay (LHP) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Chris Flexen (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Tomas Nido (C) 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Peter Alonso (1b) 25%  25%  [ 6 ]
Justin Dunn (RHP) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Desmond Lindsay (OF) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Luis Guillorme (SS) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 24
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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:27 pm 
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So, where abouts does the "fascinating" but hasn't played yet Ronny Mauricio end up on our list?

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... Gr3HcOl.97

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... ThtyGKW.97

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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:31 pm 
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acerimusdux wrote:
Not actually arguing for Thompson higher, just saying, here's Thompson per mlb.com:

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Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 30 | Arm: 40 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45

Thompson used a huge junior season at Miami, where he was at or near the top of Division I leaders in home runs and RBIs, to move himself to the fourth round of the Draft. He was out of gas during his pro debut, but the Mets were pleased to see more of the real Thompson in 2016 when he led the organization in RBIs while playing across two levels of A-ball.

Thompson's calling cards in college were his considerable raw power and his approach at the plate, as he drew a ton of walks and didn't strike out that much, especially for a run producer. While his K rate has remained solid, his BB rate hasn't, although it did improve a tick following his promotion to the Florida State League. Continued refinement should lead to a better hit tool and Thompson tapping into that power more consistently. He really struggled at third during his pro debut, but the Mets saw improved defense from him during his first full year and feel that as he continues to work hard at it, he should be able to stay there.

Even if Thompson would have to move over to first, he might develop the bat to profile well offensively there. For now, though, he'll stick at the hot corner with an eye toward the upper levels of the system. He was not nearly as productive with the move up to Double-A early in 2017, however.


Even though they give both "45", Vientos clearly has better grades. Vientos's arm and defense are projected better. But they have the bats about the same, power/hit at 50/50 vs 45/55.

I just don't think we're talking here about a far off guy who looks like a future all-star, I think we're talking about a far off guy who has a chance to be solid. That's all I'm saying. Ceiling doesn't yet sound much better to me than these boring solid college guys.


I like Thompson. I think I like him more than most. But it seems to me, comparing Thompson to Vientos is like comparing Cecchini to Rosario a few years back. Everyone knew Rosario has the higher ceiling and it wasn't even close.

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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:36 pm 
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That's actually kind of positive. They said his stuff looked good (5-10 range).

Yeah, that about what you would expect.

I was thinking Vientos hadn't made the GCL list at all, but they haven't done it yet, so there's hope.

But I think the two guys who graduated (Smith and Rosario) are the only two who made any of those lists this year, so far (and I think the GCL is the only one that's not done yet).


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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:44 pm 
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acerimusdux wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
That's actually kind of positive. They said his stuff looked good (5-10 range).

Yeah, that about what you would expect.

I was thinking Vientos hadn't made the GCL list at all, but they haven't done it yet, so there's hope.

But I think the two guys who graduated (Smith and Rosario) are the only two who made any of those lists this year, so far (and I think the GCL is the only one that's not done yet).


Gimenez made the top 20. I don't know where he ended up, other than not #1 but he's one of the hash-tags on the bottom.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... 1KaL8zR.97

Rosario was #1 in PCL, but everyone knows he was a top prospect. Dom Made the list too, but I don't know where.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... emuACHQ.97

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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:07 pm 
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Gimenez made the top 20. I don't know where he ended up, other than not #1 but he's one of the hash-tags on the bottom.

Oh yeah, he's the other obvious guy, should have known he'd made it.

But after Gimenez and Peterson, who went off 1 & 2 here, I'm not sure we have any candidates for top prospect lists left here. Ronny Mauricio, considered one of the top IFA, is a guy with that type of potential, once he starts to actually play. And Szapucki when healthy is good enough to make a list.

Alonso was one of the top 10 guys statistically in the FSL this year, but apparently wasn't a good enough prospect to make the FSL list.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:21 pm 
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Yes, I'm the authority on whether something is well known or not! But I'm fine ceding that authority to you. :D

What I meant was that if people here don't know about this, and this site is a representation of people most in the know about Mets esoterica, then perhaps it isn't all that well known.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:27 pm 
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acerimusdux wrote:
MLB.com (I assume Callis and Mayo) had him at #67 ahead of the draft:

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Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 30 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

Vientos entered the spring as one of the more intriguing high school bats in the country, one who many thought had first-round potential. An up-and-down spring has made him a bit more of a polarizing prospect than that, with opinions on him varying greatly.

Vientos' offensive potential is what had scouts interested in the first place, so if you saw him when he was swinging the bat well, you like him. He hasn't done that as consistently as some would have liked to see. He does show good bat speed and has definite power potential from the right side of the plate. Vientos isn't overly athletic, so even though he plays shortstop for his high school team at American Heritage, he will likely have to move to third at the next level, with some thinking he has the hands and arm strength to handle the hot corner.

Vientos did miss some time this spring with a quad injury, but he certainly has been seen enough over the summer and at events like the National High School Invitational. He reminds some of Manny Machado in terms of body type, and he's also drawn a Michael Morse in high school comp. A team believing his bat will play will give the Miami commit a shot in the opening few rounds.


If you buy the "45" grade, he doesn't belong in the top 3. And the inconsistency this spring is what I was talking about, why he wasn't quite a first round guy. But maybe he did perform well enough in the GCL to take the more optimistic view?

I'd just like to see some actual reports out of the GCL. I don't want to think people are ranking him up because they are scouting the stat line at that level. Statistical projection has some validity by the time you get to AA, but it's really tough to read much into GCL performance.

I think that inconsistency at 17 is more or less par for the course. I think the high ranking (here) would be off him holding his own in the GCL at 17 plus the pedigree and pre-draft reports. He basically did or exceeded what would have been expected of him in his first pro season. Of course it would be nice to hear real eyewitness reports but (speaking for myself), I tend to discount those some. I don't really trust too many reports anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:39 pm 
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As good as Alonso was he was already behind the scouting 8 ball being a RH 1B, then throw in the ridiculous error totals/poor body reports and I’m not really surprised at all regarding him not being top 20. If he’s “unplayable” at 1B he’s a total NP (not suggesting he is) but say his body/defense remain the same, who was the last good “DH” prospect?

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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
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I think Alonso should go next. The top 4 are prob fairly set. Should be pretty wide open after that.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:01 pm 
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Yes, the system seem pretty thin. We've had a ton of guys graduate the last two years, though.

Just from the top 50 on here:

Two years ago
Matz
Lugo
Reynolds
Akeel Morris (traded)
Verrett (traded)
Wotell (traded)
Dario Alvarez (traded)
Garcia (released)

This year
Gsellman
Ynoa (traded)
Rosario
Dom Smith
Nimmo
TJ Rivera
Smoker
Flexen
Sewald

Of those 17 guys, 10 or 11 will likely be on the 25 man most or part of the year in 2018. A few more on other teams, likely.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is the #3 prospect in the Mets system?
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Moniak #17 in the SAL yikes, and sounds like the Yankees sold high on Rutherford and were smart to keep Florial

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