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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:41 pm 
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I think the strong contact rate has some giving him a very long leash. It kinda means there's reason to give him a moderately high floor if the catch and throw ability are also there. If he can ultimately tweak the swing to get something out of it remains to be seen.


Just to continue my analogy a bit here (and I'm counting Rivera's initial run through Seattle's system, not his recent stays in the minors as an older guy biding time):

A ball: 17.7% K rate (Rivera, age 19) vs. 25.7% (Nido, age 21)
A+ ball: 16.5% K rate (Rivera, age 20) vs. 11.4% (Nido, age 22)
AA ball: 15.8% K rate (Rivera, age 21) vs. 15.6% (Nido, age 23)

SO I mean, again, sure - but I think thats an ancillary skill for someone who doesn't do much else offensively and is a 20/30 runner. Putting the ball in play is great for Dee Gordon. It meant 27 double plays for Nido.

The "high floor" is probably situation-dependent, but likely means someone who will be either a defensive minded backup ala Rivera the last few years, or someone who is more of an org guy/3rd catcher, ala Rivera 2006-2013 (same guy, different situations).


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:46 pm 
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acerimusdux wrote:
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Nido is like the next coming of Drew Butera.


I just don't get the excitement over a catch and throw guy, minus athlete, who can't hit.


I think he's a decent athlete, for a catcher anyway. But I think some are maybe giving too much credit to last year, when he did hit in A+ ball. While I think the AA performance is probably a much stronger indicator, for a guy who was already 23 this year.

But people don't want to let go of the hopes they developed a year ago. Plus, he's still on the roster, since they have no other good candidates to shuffle back and forth as a 3rd catcher.


I can't claim a scouting eye, but I've seen 20 and 30 grades on his running at sites that grade that stuff. And the whole 27 double plays thing in like 300 PA - which lead organized baseball as far as I can tell.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:30 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
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I just don't get the excitement over a catch and throw guy, minus athlete, who can't hit.


I think he's a decent athlete, for a catcher anyway. But I think some are maybe giving too much credit to last year, when he did hit in A+ ball. While I think the AA performance is probably a much stronger indicator, for a guy who was already 23 this year.

But people don't want to let go of the hopes they developed a year ago. Plus, he's still on the roster, since they have no other good candidates to shuffle back and forth as a 3rd catcher.


I can't claim a scouting eye, but I've seen 20 and 30 grades on his running at sites that grade that stuff. And the whole 27 double plays thing in like 300 PA - which lead organized baseball as far as I can tell.


The contrary of that is that he got babiped in a pretty big way this season.

Either way, I've been clear in saying that I don't think his swing translates well and he's going to need to do something about that ultimately.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:45 pm 
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Nido likely gonna get into launch angles and tap into that plus power he supposedly had when he was drafted.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:13 pm 
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http://m.mlb.com/news/article/260341206 ... =151437456

Guillorme makes Jim Callis's list of "best tools" in the AFL stars game (best defender).
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Best defender
Luis Guillorme, SS/2B, Mets
Guillorme stands out with his hands, quickness and instincts, which along with his solid arm allow him to make all the plays at any infield position. He's a tick better defender than Mets incumbent Amed Rosario at shortstop, though his offensive ceiling isn't as high and he may wind up a utility man. Guillorme has played both middle-infield positions for the Scottsdale Scorpions.

Others considered: Victor Robles, OF, Nationals; Ronald Acuna, OF, Braves; Braden Bishop, OF, Mariners; Tomas Nido, C, Mets.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:15 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
https://www.milb.com/milb/news/new-york-mets-prospects-tomas-nido-luis-guillorme-david-thompson-together-again-in-arizona-fall-league/c-259789608

WHy is Nido the focus of this article?


Two reasons. One, because the author quotes the MLB rankings, 9, 11 and 24 (Nido is 9) and two, because Nido's the guy who gets married at the end of the article. It's good writing. He talks about all 3 guys.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:18 pm 
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Mogriffjr wrote:
Nido likely gonna get into launch angles and tap into that plus power he supposedly had when he was drafted.


I think the use of "likely" oversimplifies this a bit. "Gonna get into" means you have to able to implement a skill set into games, and a guy who hasn't even shown he can hit minor league pitching seems like an unlikely candidate to "likely" suddenly just be "into" something and make it appear.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:03 am 
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Jannis! 3 Mets pitchers combined on a 1 hitter yesterday with Jannis hurling the first five.

Nido is down to .167


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Mogriffjr wrote:
Nido likely gonna get into launch angles and tap into that plus power he supposedly had when he was drafted.


I think the use of "likely" oversimplifies this a bit. "Gonna get into" means you have to able to implement a skill set into games, and a guy who hasn't even shown he can hit minor league pitching seems like an unlikely candidate to "likely" suddenly just be "into" something and make it appear.


Well I didn't say he was going to become a mega prospect ...It's just he was known for his power and I feel like he's a prime candidate for the staff to have him alter his swing ...He may amount to nothing in the end but I think it's worth a shot especially in today's baseball climate.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:30 pm 
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Jannis! 3 Mets pitchers combined on a 1 hitter yesterday with Jannis hurling the first five.

Nido is down to .167


That knuckleball may be on the verge....... A little excitement for a player picked out of no-where. Compared to Dickey, Jannis is a youngster!


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:34 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
More "other winter league" than Arizona Fall League, but mlb.com has Enderson Franco showing up as part of our org now, who is having a nice winter league so far. Older guy who hasn't gotten out of the lower parts of the minors though.



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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Arizona Fall League
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:16 am 
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And another article from mlb.com highlights Nido:
http://m.mets.mlb.com/news/article/2607 ... tars-game/

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Unfortunately for Acuna, an even better throw by Nido sent him jogging back to the dugout. Nido, the Mets' No. 9 prospect, rose and fired with a pop time of 1.91 seconds and fired an accurate 82.9-mph throw to second. For context, Yadier Molina's 82.9-mph average on "max effort" throws (or those within his 90th percentile or higher) ranked 11th among full-time MLB catchers in 2017. But Nido's pop time clocked in well under the MLB average of two seconds, and would likely have been a highlight for Hedges, who topped all full-time catchers with a 1.95-second average pop time on max effort throws to second this year.


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