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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:15 pm 
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You still see some people obsess over and not be willing to give up on certain young players... not until those players have failed over a period of time and lose all value... like Robles. Then, and only then are some willing to part with a player. :lol:

Can't give up Gsell or Lugo? Really? These look like the kind of pitchers that you should be able to replace from within or simply by using some $ resources (free agency). And if one of these guys has some success down the line, is that really something you couldn't survive?

If you had said that Gsell or Lugo were a big part of your bullpen plans for 2018, that would be one thing, but as a potential 5th starter, I can't see not being willing to part with either to get a starting 2Bman.


Yea, thats not what I'm saying at all. I would give up Gsellman or Lugo easily for a player with more than 1 year of control. Or if the player was a sure difference maker. Kinsler's value can be replicated without giving up serious talent. Thats the point.



Kinsler just continues the neverending cycle (along with Cabrera now at 3B) of never settling into anything remotely long term at those spots.

Wouldn't it be great to one year not have the exact same offseason shopping list? Every year we are searching for a big bat (outfielder), infield depth (whether its 2B/SS, or 3B/SS, or 2B/3B), a bunch of relief help, and we "live with catcher" because we have too many other needs. Thats literally been the same shopping list since, what, 2014?


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:19 pm 
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Ralf wrote:
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You still see some people obsess over and not be willing to give up on certain young players... not until those players have failed over a period of time and lose all value... like Robles. Then, and only then are some willing to part with a player. :lol:

Can't give up Gsell or Lugo? Really? These look like the kind of pitchers that you should be able to replace from within or simply by using some $ resources (free agency). And if one of these guys has some success down the line, is that really something you couldn't survive?

If you had said that Gsell or Lugo were a big part of your bullpen plans for 2018, that would be one thing, but as a potential 5th starter, I can't see not being willing to part with either to get a starting 2Bman.


Yea, thats not what I'm saying at all. I would give up Gsellman or Lugo easily for a player with more than 1 year of control. Or if the player was a sure difference maker. Kinsler's value can be replicated without giving up serious talent. Thats the point.

Yeah I was making more of a blanket statement on giving up young players. In this case, I just think one should be willing to give up a controllable 5th starter for a starting 2Bman, if you think that position player adds marginal wins and gets you closer to contention.

And there is certainly the possibility that you could extend Kinsler.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:23 pm 
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You still see some people obsess over and not be willing to give up on certain young players... not until those players have failed over a period of time and lose all value... like Robles. Then, and only then are some willing to part with a player. :lol:

Can't give up Gsell or Lugo? Really? These look like the kind of pitchers that you should be able to replace from within or simply by using some $ resources (free agency). And if one of these guys has some success down the line, is that really something you couldn't survive?

If you had said that Gsell or Lugo were a big part of your bullpen plans for 2018, that would be one thing, but as a potential 5th starter, I can't see not being willing to part with either to get a starting 2Bman.


Yea, thats not what I'm saying at all. I would give up Gsellman or Lugo easily for a player with more than 1 year of control. Or if the player was a sure difference maker. Kinsler's value can be replicated without giving up serious talent. Thats the point.



Kinsler just continues the neverending cycle (along with Cabrera now at 3B) of never settling into anything remotely long term at those spots.

Wouldn't it be great to one year not have the exact same offseason shopping list? Every year we are searching for a big bat (outfielder), infield depth (whether its 2B/SS, or 3B/SS, or 2B/3B), a bunch of relief help, and we "live with catcher" because we have too many other needs. Thats literally been the same shopping list since, what, 2014?


Yea, this is part of the reason I'm all in on the Dee Gordon / Carlos Santana idea.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Kinsler just continues the neverending cycle (along with Cabrera now at 3B) of never settling into anything remotely long term at those spots.

Wouldn't it be great to one year not have the exact same offseason shopping list? Every year we are searching for a big bat (outfielder), infield depth (whether its 2B/SS, or 3B/SS, or 2B/3B), a bunch of relief help, and we "live with catcher" because we have too many other needs. Thats literally been the same shopping list since, what, 2014?


It had specifically been SS for a long time and pen. If you believe the talk, they are [finally] open to adding RP arm(s) on longer term deals this winter.

It's not like they don't have certain positions settled for a while now tho. It certainly seems like they are settled at SS, RF, LF, CF, C and at the top of the rotation now for a while and possibly 1B in the long term. So having a few areas as shorter term fixes looks pretty normal.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:29 pm 
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Yea, this is part of the reason I'm all in on the Dee Gordon / Carlos Santana idea.


I thought you were in on Kendrick.

I forgot about Gordon. But that's not going to happen and so I've kind of blocked it out of my mind. :lol:

But seriously, if we'd have to give up a Lugo/Gsell for Kinsler, what would we have to give up for Gordon? Something that would definitely have the potential to sting in years ahead. Not to mention that he just doesn't look remotely like an Alderson player. He doesn't walk and hits everything on the ground, and has a career ISO of 076. Steamer projects him at 1.5 war next season. Owed $38M over the next 3 yrs.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:30 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Kinsler just continues the neverending cycle (along with Cabrera now at 3B) of never settling into anything remotely long term at those spots.

Wouldn't it be great to one year not have the exact same offseason shopping list? Every year we are searching for a big bat (outfielder), infield depth (whether its 2B/SS, or 3B/SS, or 2B/3B), a bunch of relief help, and we "live with catcher" because we have too many other needs. Thats literally been the same shopping list since, what, 2014?


It had specifically been SS for a long time and pen. If you believe the talk, they are [finally] open to adding RP arm(s) on longer term deals this winter.

It's not like they don't have certain positions settled for a while now tho. It certainly seems like they are settled at SS, RF, LF, CF, C and at the top of the rotation now for a while and possibly 1B in the long term. So having a few areas as shorter term fixes looks pretty normal.


Settled in CF meaning Lagares? Thats by necessity, not choice. Same for catcher. If we actually had longer term solutions at the other spots, those would definitely be up for discussion. Just can't turnover 18 spots in one offseason.

But I don't think its healthy to have the same rotating spots every offseason. How many open spots do the Yankees have? How about the Astros? Dodgers? Good teams have stability, not a bunch of 1 year deal types who are brought in due to their low cost, not ability, with the hope that you get a bargain (but if they do perform, they'll be too costly to extend and make a longer term solution), and with the safety that at least you didn't make a huge mistake.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:32 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
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Yea, this is part of the reason I'm all in on the Dee Gordon / Carlos Santana idea.


I thought you were in on Kendrick.

I forgot about Gordon. But that's not going to happen and so I've kind of blocked it out of my mind. :lol:


Was only mentioning Kendrick as an alternative. Thats not who I want.

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:46 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:

Kinsler just continues the neverending cycle (along with Cabrera now at 3B) of never settling into anything remotely long term at those spots.

Wouldn't it be great to one year not have the exact same offseason shopping list? Every year we are searching for a big bat (outfielder), infield depth (whether its 2B/SS, or 3B/SS, or 2B/3B), a bunch of relief help, and we "live with catcher" because we have too many other needs. Thats literally been the same shopping list since, what, 2014?


It had specifically been SS for a long time and pen. If you believe the talk, they are [finally] open to adding RP arm(s) on longer term deals this winter.

It's not like they don't have certain positions settled for a while now tho. It certainly seems like they are settled at SS, RF, LF, CF, C and at the top of the rotation now for a while and possibly 1B in the long term. So having a few areas as shorter term fixes looks pretty normal.


Settled in CF meaning Lagares? Thats by necessity, not choice. Same for catcher. If we actually had longer term solutions at the other spots, those would definitely be up for discussion. Just can't turnover 18 spots in one offseason.

But I don't think its healthy to have the same rotating spots every offseason. How many open spots do the Yankees have? How about the Astros? Dodgers? Good teams have stability, not a bunch of 1 year deal types who are brought in due to their low cost, not ability, with the hope that you get a bargain (but if they do perform, they'll be too costly to extend and make a longer term solution), and with the safety that at least you didn't make a huge mistake.

Yeah Lagares. Like most other teams, they don't have an all-star or potential all-star at every position but yeah CF is more or less settled for the next couple of years if they want it to be. Heck, is Lagares really any different than Jarrod Dyson, whom many think is "sneaky valuable?"

Comparing them to the Stros or Dodgers is naturally going to fail to match up. Or the Yankees or Nationals right now. Otherwise they wouldn't be in that middle tier trying to get into the top tier.


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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
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Trade Nimmo, Domo, Nido, Cheech and Robles for Yelich and Steckenrider
Sign Carlos Santana 4/72 (15, 19, 19, 19)
Sign Shaw 3/27
Sign McGee 3/21

Thats $38m added for 2018

Do it!

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 Post subject: Re: The 2018 "What Would YOU Do" Offseason Thread
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Ralf wrote:
Trade Nimmo, Domo, Nido, Cheech and Robles for Yelich and Steckenrider
Sign Carlos Santana 4/72 (15, 19, 19, 19)
Sign Shaw 3/27
Sign McGee 3/21

Thats $38m added for 2018

Do it!


You just made Carlos Santana very happy.

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