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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:49 pm 
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Also looks like a guy (based on nothing but my first impression) who may be able to stand up to Cespedes and get him with the program.


Was it the beard, broad shoulders and deep southern drawl?

From the barely 2 minutes of videos I've watched of him so far; he does exude a fun, but no-nonsense type of personality.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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Carig obviously has good sources, his TC story was no fluke, just good reporting.

have to give an eyeroll for this. that "piece" sounded like a hatchet job to me and especially if "sources" included Jeff or Jeff stooges. Carig got the Mets manager job wrong several times throughout the process so yeah it does appear that he was led astray, which is to say he's not really in the know.



I was not fan of that piece on TC, but it's the Mets who were in the wrong for feeding Carig the info. And while I don't like Jeff....unless things change (and it would be nice if they do) - having him as a source, certainly counts since he does tend to involve himself in things and be "in the know".

I don't recall Carig proclaiming anyone else was signing a contract and guaranteed the job, so I don't think he "looks bad" in this situation. All the reporters I've seen were wrong in their guesses of who the manager would be, I don't think that means none of them have ever had sources. Carig was the first to break the big news of ruling out various candidates, so if the Mets did try to enact some type of revenge on Carig for that Collins article (I'm not buying that), they certainly didn't do a good job of it.

If you want to theorize some crazy revenge scheme, I think it's more plausible that the Mets would spread "fake news" as some kind of way to try to identify who the leakers in their own camp were. But I don't really think this is what happened here either. It doesn't seem that crazy that a team could manage to do interviews and not have it immediately leak who they actually liked the best. And it did still leak before the official announcement.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:18 am 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
acerimusdux wrote:

Carig obviously has good sources, his TC story was no fluke, just good reporting.

have to give an eyeroll for this. that "piece" sounded like a hatchet job to me and especially if "sources" included Jeff or Jeff stooges. Carig got the Mets manager job wrong several times throughout the process so yeah it does appear that he was led astray, which is to say he's not really in the know.



I was not fan of that piece on TC, but it's the Mets who were in the wrong for feeding Carig the info. And while I don't like Jeff....unless things change (and it would be nice if they do) - having him as a source, certainly counts since he does tend to involve himself in things and be "in the know".

I don't recall Carig proclaiming anyone else was signing a contract and guaranteed the job, so I don't think he "looks bad" in this situation. All the reporters I've seen were wrong in their guesses of who the manager would be, I don't think that means none of them have ever had sources. Carig was the first to break the big news of ruling out various candidates, so if the Mets did try to enact some type of revenge on Carig for that Collins article (I'm not buying that), they certainly didn't do a good job of it.

If you want to theorize some crazy revenge scheme, I think it's more plausible that the Mets would spread "fake news" as some kind of way to try to identify who the leakers in their own camp were. But I don't really think this is what happened here either. It doesn't seem that crazy that a team could manage to do interviews and not have it immediately leak who they actually liked the best. And it did still leak before the official announcement.


Enough.

Last week I was channel surfing and came across a show on the NFL network featuring a panel that included Joe Namath. Joe related how when he came to New York, a reporter asked him if he had majored in "Basket Weaving" while at Alabama, implying that his degree was a sham. Namath related his reply: "Nope, that was too hard, so I took up journalism instead."

Carig is a hack, just like most of the New York press core. I believe that there are easily a dozen posters on this board that can do a better job than any of these guys. Some work harder than others, but overall, the reporting is usually a cliche-ridden, opinion-driven, boilerplate drivel that either overstates the obvious or overblows the unsubstantiated.

Back to Callaway. This reminds me of the Davey Johnson hiring, with most of the fanbase first saying "who?" and then "oh yeah, this is the guy that made the last out in the '69 Series, what has he done since?'

Here's hoping for the same type of results.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:25 am 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
have to give an eyeroll for this. that "piece" sounded like a hatchet job to me and especially if "sources" included Jeff or Jeff stooges.

Except there is no evidence at all that it included Jeff, or "stooges". Since there have been clearly bigger "hit pieces" written about Jeff, also citing sources, it is frankly ludicrously delusional to believe that Jeff must be the source of all leaks.

Carig had over a dozen sources with the team. He had direct quotes. Why shoot the messanger? I've seen no evidence he got any of the story wrong.

I also don't see where he got the manager story wrong, he said he was told the Mets were "leaning" toward Long after the first round of interviews, but he had no idea who would get the job.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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on topic... glad to see it wasn't a retread hire and did not want Kevin Long

off topic....
wonder what percentage of message board guys wish they were sportswriters?

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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acerimusdux wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
have to give an eyeroll for this. that "piece" sounded like a hatchet job to me and especially if "sources" included Jeff or Jeff stooges.

Except there is no evidence at all that it included Jeff, or "stooges". Since there have been clearly bigger "hit pieces" written about Jeff, also citing sources, it is frankly ludicrously delusional to believe that Jeff must be the source of all leaks.

Carig had over a dozen sources with the team. He had direct quotes. Why shoot the messanger? I've seen no evidence he got any of the story wrong.

I also don't see where he got the manager story wrong, he said he was told the Mets were "leaning" toward Long after the first round of interviews, but he had no idea who would get the job.

Well according to at least one person in here, the source is Jeff but that's why I said "if" and I also said "included" so I'm not saying exclusively Jeff. But if Carig ran with stuff from Jeff or knew came from Jeff, then I do blame him for being used as a propaganda tool. Frankly, either way it comes off as the boilerplate 92 loss manager loses clubhouse piece built on nothing but unnamed sources and "Terry didn't say hello to me" nonsense. The real story seemed to be the breakdown between dugout and FO. Now if there were a piece exploring that a little deeper, that may have been an interesting read. But all this has been discussed already so I digress.

In terms of Callaway, could be an inspired choice. Tho he lacks managerial experience, he seems otherwise about the right temperament, age, dugout cred and success quotient. If I had to find a knock, it would be that it's an AL only background I believe. And the game pace is definitely different in the NL. And unlike a Hale or Geren, Callaway won't have immediate familiarity with NL players. But on the whole I'm fine with this choice. Hopefully he'll tap NL guys for bc and pc.

Was Bamberger the last pitching guy who managed here? Trying to recall...


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:09 am 
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Moreover, as to not getting it wrong, this is what Carig wrote on Oct 11:

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The Mets have begun interviewing candidates for their vacant managerial opening, a source with knowledge of the process told Newsday on Wednesday, with the first round of talks expected to linger into next week.

Despite a long list of candidates who have been linked to the opening, the team is expected to interview about a half dozen candidates to replace Terry Collins, who was moved into a new role as special assistant to general manager Sandy Alderson.

According to a source, those on the Mets’ initial list include Brad Ausmus, Bob Geren, Chip Hale, Robin Ventura, Joe McEwing, Sandy Alomar Jr. and Alex Cora, though it’s unclear which of those have been brought in. Alderson said last week that Mets hitting coach Kevin Long is a candidate for the job.

A source said the Mets have also been reaching out to other clubs for permission to speak with managerial candidates. In the case of Geren (Dodgers) and Cora (Astros), whose teams are in the playoffs, it is possible that interviews can be staged between rounds and days off during the postseason.


Now, if you want to say that the Mets just shifted their list around, that is your prerogative. The issue was to the accuracy or credibility of Carig's sources. The bottom line is that of those he reported were the Mets list of candidates, just two of those 8 were actually brought in for an interview as far as I'm aware. Ausmus didn't interview; Geren didn't; Hale didn't; Ventura didn't; SAJ didn't; and I don't even think Cora interviewed.

Is that not getting it wrong?

If he were just speculating, then the list looks like the logical group any of us would have come up with, but he keeps referring to being informed by "sources."


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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Total guess but you would assume Callaway would want a PC who shares his views/he has a relationship with vs. one of the bigger name guys ie Bosio (he may well have a relationship with him, I have no idea) but considering he's a pitcher/pitching coach I suspect he will want a guy who is "with him" on his ideas. Bench coach almost certainly will be someone with MLB experience even if it's just as a coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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You can tell that the FO is into punking people at this stage by leaking mixed signals and misdirection. They just don't want the public to know what they are really doing or thinking. It was probably Callaway all along.


What do you mean "punking people"? How about they keep it close to the vest so other teams don't know what they're doing. I hear the Phillies really liked Callaway.

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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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Total guess but you would assume Callaway would want a PC who shares his views/he has a relationship with vs. one of the bigger name guys ie Bosio (he may well have a relationship with him, I have no idea) but considering he's a pitcher/pitching coach I suspect he will want a guy who is "with him" on his ideas. Bench coach almost certainly will be someone with MLB experience even if it's just as a coach.

My first guess for pc would be Jason Bere, his bullpen coach in CLE.


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 Post subject: Re: Sherman: Mets to hire Callaway as manager
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You can tell that the FO is into punking people at this stage by leaking mixed signals and misdirection. They just don't want the public to know what they are really doing or thinking. It was probably Callaway all along.


What do you mean "punking people"? How about they keep it close to the vest so other teams don't know what they're doing. I hear the Phillies really liked Callaway.

Yes, I mean, purposely leaking misinformation (they 'really like Long,' and 'Long is considered the favorite' etc.) so that many don't know what they are really doing... which is to say that many things the beat writers jump out with often can't be taken too seriously IMO.


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