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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:11 am 
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We've signed INF Phil Evans to a minor league contract with a major league Spring Training invite.

As expected.

Just to add, it didn't make any sense for them to have invested 6+ years developing Evans, finally seeing some payoff, to then just cut him loose... esp with 2 option years still intact.

Whatever one thought of him, there is some potential value in a player with that skillset, esp since 3B has been a black hole here. It made no sense to bail on him now.


3 option years. They never used an option on him (and won't as of now next year unless they re-add him).

And while it may not have "made sense" - they certainly risked that with the outright. Would've just cost a team a 40 man spot (and DiPoto deemed ANDREW ROMINE worthy of one of those just yesterday) and they would've gotten those 3 option years for free.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:42 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Kudos to HK and Ralf.

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We've signed INF Phil Evans to a minor league contract with a major league Spring Training invite.

As expected.

Just to add, it didn't make any sense for them to have invested 6+ years developing Evans, finally seeing some payoff, to then just cut him loose... esp with 2 option years still intact.

Whatever one thought of him, there is some potential value in a player with that skillset, esp since 3B has been a black hole here. It made no sense to bail on him now.


3 option years. They never used an option on him (and won't as of now next year unless they re-add him).

And while it may not have "made sense" - they certainly risked that with the outright. Would've just cost a team a 40 man spot (and DiPoto deemed ANDREW ROMINE worthy of one of those just yesterday) and they would've gotten those 3 option years for free.

Yeah, but as said previously, it's more than likely that this was arranged already so I'm not sure how much risk there really was.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:06 pm 
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Yeah, but as said previously, it's more than likely that this was arranged already so I'm not sure how much risk there really was.


Whattya mean? Any of the other 29 teams could've claimed him. They didn't control that.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:15 pm 
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Yeah, but as said previously, it's more than likely that this was arranged already so I'm not sure how much risk there really was.


Whattya mean? Any of the other 29 teams could've claimed him. They didn't control that.

Isn't that still the trade waiver period where they can pull him back if someone makes a claim?

Otherwise, yeah, there was the risk that DiPoto would swoop in. I was originally referring to the risk that he would become a FA when eligible now, tho.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:29 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
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Yeah, but as said previously, it's more than likely that this was arranged already so I'm not sure how much risk there really was.


Whattya mean? Any of the other 29 teams could've claimed him. They didn't control that.

Isn't that still the trade waiver period where they can pull him back if someone makes a claim?

Otherwise, yeah, there was the risk that DiPoto would swoop in. I was originally referring to the risk that he would become a FA when eligible now, tho.


No, he was outrighted. Thats not trade waivers. Outright waivers to remove someone from the 40 man are irrevocable.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:43 pm 
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No, he was outrighted. Thats not trade waivers. Outright waivers to remove someone from the 40 man are irrevocable.


Yeah, I wouldn't have put all those yrs of development at risk, esp after he appeared to have turned a corner the past 2 seasons. So yeah, it's not really a pat on the back to the Mets. I was really only saying that it was likely they already had told him at the time he was outrighted that they would like to have him come back, and that he agreed. Heck, doesn't mean he couldn't have changed his mind and taken his chances as a FA now also.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:59 pm 
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You take a few risks now since everyone is trying to pare down their rosters and having to add back 60 man DL guys....so it is not as risky really to waive guys.

They are still eligible for rule five though, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
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You take a few risks now since everyone is trying to pare down their rosters and having to add back 60 man DL guys....so it is not as risky really to waive guys.

They are still eligible for rule five though, right?

Now who is going to take Evans as a rule 5 with all the restrictions that go with that when he was freely available as a waiver claim?


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:12 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
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You take a few risks now since everyone is trying to pare down their rosters and having to add back 60 man DL guys....so it is not as risky really to waive guys.

They are still eligible for rule five though, right?

Now who is going to take Evans as a rule 5 with all the restrictions that go with that when he was freely available as a waiver claim?


Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

Every so often you see if with a priority minor league FA if a team loses out on them and they just decide to give the guy the 40 man spot they previously wouldn't (remember Greg Burke, who we added after signing him to a minor league deal because supposedly he was going to be taken in the Rule 5 if we didn't), but this is literally a case where a team would've had Evans WITHOUT THE RULE 5 RESTRICTIONS, chose not to, and then reversed course 4 weeks later. That would be silly.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
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jdawginsc wrote:
You take a few risks now since everyone is trying to pare down their rosters and having to add back 60 man DL guys....so it is not as risky really to waive guys.

They are still eligible for rule five though, right?


This doesn't make sense. Of course its risky. You gave 29 teams a free shot at a guy whereby you'd be powerless to stop the move.

Had they never added Evans in September, they could've resigned him as they did (with an apparent ahead of time agreement), but by adding him and then removing him, every other team in baseball had a chance to claim him, whether or not Evans preferred to resign here.

It worked out, but I don't get the idea that it wasn't risky. Of course it was. The takeaway is that they probably didn't care, of course, but I can't paint is as some sort of master-stroke of roster management.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:23 pm 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
jdawginsc wrote:
You take a few risks now since everyone is trying to pare down their rosters and having to add back 60 man DL guys....so it is not as risky really to waive guys.

They are still eligible for rule five though, right?


This doesn't make sense. Of course its risky. You gave 29 teams a free shot at a guy whereby you'd be powerless to stop the move.

Had they never added Evans in September, they could've resigned him as they did (with an apparent ahead of time agreement), but by adding him and then removing him, every other team in baseball had a chance to claim him, whether or not Evans preferred to resign here.

It worked out, but I don't get the idea that it wasn't risky. Of course it was. The takeaway is that they probably didn't care, of course, but I can't paint is as some sort of master-stroke of roster management.

Yeah, I believe he's just saying that in general this period is used to purge rosters to create spots, and not normally to claim players but we've seen some claims already even if those are exceptions. Yeah it was a stupid risk to take IMO.

This FO has made more than their share of roster mistakes over the past several seasons... some bigger than others.


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 Post subject: Re: Roster removals
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:19 pm 
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This guy just got claimed (seattle, again):

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... tion=2B/SS


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