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Poll ended at Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:45 am
Kevin Kaczmarski (OF) 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Gerson Bautista (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 14%  14%  [ 3 ]
Colin Holderman (RHP) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Corey Oswalt (RHP) 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Juan Uriarte (C) 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Patrick Mazeika (C) 27%  27%  [ 6 ]
David Thompson (3B) 27%  27%  [ 6 ]
Jamie Callahan (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nabil Crismatt (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 22
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 Post subject: Who is #16?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:45 am 
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Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
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P.S. don't stress too much if you feel player X deserves to be on this list vs. player Y. It's extremely unlikely someone not yet nominated would be win any given poll. Nominate those you see fit.
** Executive decision, pulled the plug early on #7. By having the polls begin in the morning it allows for a more lively discussion. Lindsay was running away with the vote. Same with #10. Poll #11 will only have 9 options, I accidently had Kay listed a second time (copy and paste, sue me lol)

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) 12/27 votes-44%
2) David Peterson (LHP) 12/24 votes-50%
3) Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 13/24 votes-54%
4) Peter Alonso (1B) 21/28 votes-75%
5) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 10/22-45%
6) Justin Dunn (RHP) 4/20-20%, runoff with Lindsay/Guillorme/Kay 9/22-41%
7) Desmond Lindsay (OF) 12/26-46%
8) Luis Guillorme (SS) 8/25-32%, run-off with Kay 11/22-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) 9/24-38%, run-off with Bashlor 10/20-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
10) Tyler Bashlor (RHP) 11/16-69%
11) Tomas Nido (C) 6/24-25%, run-off with Molina and Oswalt 12/20 60%
12) Marcos Molina (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Evans 13/20-65%
13) Ronny Mauricio (SS) 6/17-35%
14) Gavin Cecchini (2B) 6/23-26%, run-off with Mazeika 12/15-80%
15) Chris Flexen (RHP) 8/26-31%, run-off with Mazeika/Thompson 8/11-73%

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:02 am 
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I went Uriarte, but also like Thompson here. Oswalt and Humphreys not too far behind.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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I've vocally been a Thompson detractor but he has a shot to be an MLB regular/quasi regular, is close to the bigs etc that's more than you can say about most of this group. Went Thompson.

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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Is Crismatt a serious nomination or is somebody just making fun?

I like Kaz and Maz and Thompson - could go for any of those 3.

I also don't want to dominate the nominating but I'd like to nominate Conlon.

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:33 am 
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Crismatt falls into the Phil Evans world as someone who is eligible to be a milbFA as of the end of the World Series.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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I think Uriarte vs. Mazeika is an interesting discussion. Uriarte is four years younger, three levels lower in the system, and seems to project as a more solid defender with a higher ceiling potential. Mazeika has hit at every level though, and could certainly hit his way into the discussion. And while his arm gets called fringy, he still managed to throw out 45 of 141 (32%) runners attempting steals this year.

I still lean Uriarte there, though. He put up impressive numbers in Kingsport this year, and was two years younger than Mazeika was when he broke out there two years ago.

Maybe worth throwing Ali Sanchez into the discussion as well. He's still consider the best defensive catcher in the system by BA, but he hasn't really hit at any level above the DSL. He's also still young though, only 8 months older than Uriarte. I think it looks like a backup catcher at best profile at this point. But he did throw out 20 of 42 (48%).

Especially note though the difference in attempts. The rate vs. Sanchez this year ammounts to 46 attempts per 500 defensive innings. Against Mazeika, it was 105 attempts per 500 innings. Uriarte had 55 attempts per 500 innings.

I can see the argument for the more proven guy here, it's definately risky to bet on guys who haven't played yet above rookie ball. But I think Uriarte has the best balance of both offensive and defensive projection here.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:40 am 
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Crismatt falls into the Phil Evans world as someone who is eligible to be a milbFA as of the end of the World Series.



Sounds like he will be back...

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:42 am 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
Is Crismatt a serious nomination or is somebody just making fun?

I like Kaz and Maz and Thompson - could go for any of those 3.

I also don't want to dominate the nominating but I'd like to nominate Conlon.



Why would it be a joke? 145.2 innings 142 k's, 3.87 FIP. That seems right at home in the 16-25 range of a very poor system.

"Nabil Crismatt, RHP, 2.0 KATOH+ – Crsmatt will touch 95 with an average curveball and change and started throwing more strikes last year. He lacks the swing-and-miss secondary to confidently project him in middle relief."

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Crismatt falls into the Phil Evans world as someone who is eligible to be a milbFA as of the end of the World Series.



99% sure he's returning in 2018.

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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^ ^ ^

That's a solid argument (Uriarte) It would be interesting to get a list of young guys who might be top 50 worth in GCL, Kingsport and Brooklyn. BA discussed a few in Kingsport & Brooklyn, kind of say anything regarding GCL other than Vientos being ahead of Guerrero (Duh).

Jose Medina gets some praise and might be a top 30 guy.
Wagner Lagrange hit a little bit this year, mostly in Kingsport but not bad for a bit in Brooklyn.
I want to like #5 pick Matt Winaker for his 15 walks to 11 Ks (but just 1 xbh - yuck).

But I'm basically guessing if I rank any of those guys.

on Crismatt, I have him in the 30s consideration with the Knapps, Canelons Petersons and maybe Acostas. Does he stand out as better than those guys?

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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I think Uriarte vs. Mazeika is an interesting discussion. Uriarte is four years younger, three levels lower in the system, and seems to project as a more solid defender with a higher ceiling potential. Mazeika has hit at every level though, and could certainly hit his way into the discussion. And while his arm gets called fringy, he still managed to throw out 45 of 141 (32%) runners attempting steals this year.

I still lean Uriarte there, though. He put up impressive numbers in Kingsport this year, and was two years younger than Mazeika was when he broke out there two years ago.

Maybe worth throwing Ali Sanchez into the discussion as well. He's still consider the best defensive catcher in the system by BA, but he hasn't really hit at any level above the DSL. He's also still young though, only 8 months older than Uriarte. I think it looks like a backup catcher at best profile at this point. But he did throw out 20 of 42 (48%).

Especially note though the difference in attempts. The rate vs. Sanchez this year ammounts to 46 attempts per 500 defensive innings. Against Mazeika, it was 105 attempts per 500 innings. Uriarte had 55 attempts per 500 innings.

I can see the argument for the more proven guy here, it's definately risky to bet on guys who haven't played yet above rookie ball. But I think Uriarte has the best balance of both offensive and defensive projection here.


Not to get on my soapbox here, but Ali Sanchez is a non prospect. These "OMG the glove is amazing" types who OPS in the .500's at the lowest levels never amount to anything, because as they start advancing, you realize the glove doesn't separate them anymore the way it did against the bad low level competition, and hitting is still really really important.

Here's Jeff P, which is the only recent report I can find on Sanchez because, quite frankly, nobody bothers following him:

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I have advocated for him since the GCL—and yes, catchers are weird—but if I didn’t have better priors on Sanchez, I’d be tempted to call him a non-prospect. That is a pretty harsh grade for a catcher, as it doesn’t take much to be a viable emergency third catching option. So what’s changed? Despite pedestrian numbers in the complex and downright bad ones in Brooklyn, I’ve been fairly bullish on Sanchez’s bat. The swing I saw this year just had no oomph. He doesn’t use his lower half at all anymore, and while there is still enough feel with the barrel to make contact, it’s mostly bad/weak contact. There’s 20 power now, and the good contact tends to be short line drives up the middle or to the opposite field. The defense behind the plate was fine, but a little indifferent.


For all those who'll throw things like Jeff Mathis at me - Jeff Mathis was a good (especially comparatively) minor league hitter. This is a guy who can't hit at the lowest levels of the system.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #16?
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Crismatt falls into the Phil Evans world as someone who is eligible to be a milbFA as of the end of the World Series.



99% sure he's returning in 2018.


As in being added to 40, or resigned? I don't think I'd add him to the 40, so if we're doing that, mehhhhhhhh.


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