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Who is #18?
Poll ended at Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:50 pm
Kevin Kaczmarski (OF) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Gerson Bautista (RHP) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 29%  29%  [ 6 ]
Colin Holderman (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Juan Uriarte (C) 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
David Thompson (3B) 38%  38%  [ 8 ]
Jamie Callahan (RHP) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Nabil Crismatt (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Adrian Hernandez (OF) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Adonis Uceta (RHP) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 21
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:50 pm 
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Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
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P.S. don't stress too much if you feel player X deserves to be on this list vs. player Y. It's extremely unlikely someone not yet nominated would be win any given poll. Nominate those you see fit.
** Executive decision, pulled the plug early on #7. By having the polls begin in the morning it allows for a more lively discussion. Lindsay was running away with the vote. Same with #10. Poll #11 will only have 9 options, I accidently had Kay listed a second time (copy and paste, sue me lol)

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) 12/27 votes-44%
2) David Peterson (LHP) 12/24 votes-50%
3) Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 13/24 votes-54%
4) Peter Alonso (1B) 21/28 votes-75%
5) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 10/22-45%
6) Justin Dunn (RHP) 4/20-20%, runoff with Lindsay/Guillorme/Kay 9/22-41%
7) Desmond Lindsay (OF) 12/26-46%
8) Luis Guillorme (SS) 8/25-32%, run-off with Kay 11/22-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) 9/24-38%, run-off with Bashlor 10/20-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
10) Tyler Bashlor (RHP) 11/16-69%
11) Tomas Nido (C) 6/24-25%, run-off with Molina and Oswalt 12/20 60%
12) Marcos Molina (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Evans 13/20-65%
13) Ronny Mauricio (SS) 6/17-35%
14) Gavin Cecchini (2B) 6/23-26%, run-off with Mazeika 12/15-80%
15) Chris Flexen (RHP) 8/26-31%, run-off with Mazeika/Thompson 8/11-73%
16) Patrick Mazeika (C) 6/22-27%, run-off with Thompson 8/14-57%
17) Corey Oswalt (RHP) 6/21-29%, run-off with Thompson 10/18-56%

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I feel like I'm hogging the nominations, but could I nominate PJ Conlon? (too soon?)

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LTKfRGM wrote:
I feel like I'm hogging the nominations, but could I nominate PJ Conlon? (too soon?)


Can we nominate Gregory Guerrero or has he really fallen that far behind Gimenez?

Other considerations:
Jhoan Urena
Jacob Rhame
Luis Carpio


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stevereiff wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
I feel like I'm hogging the nominations, but could I nominate PJ Conlon? (too soon?)


Can we nominate Gregory Guerrero or has he really fallen that far behind Gimenez?

Other considerations:
Jhoan Urena
Jacob Rhame
Luis Carpio


I only have Urena in the top 50 of those 4.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:13 pm 
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stevereiff wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
I feel like I'm hogging the nominations, but could I nominate PJ Conlon? (too soon?)


Can we nominate Gregory Guerrero or has he really fallen that far behind Gimenez?

Other considerations:
Jhoan Urena
Jacob Rhame
Luis Carpio


He really has. He’s been absolutely awful with poor reports as well.

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Had Thompson about here. He was one of my few predictions that has come true (more power breaking out this year).

Hard choice since I had a few pitchers earlier, but they got pushed backward...

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HeyNowHK wrote:
stevereiff wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
I feel like I'm hogging the nominations, but could I nominate PJ Conlon? (too soon?)


Can we nominate Gregory Guerrero or has he really fallen that far behind Gimenez?

Other considerations:
Jhoan Urena
Jacob Rhame
Luis Carpio


I only have Urena in the top 50 of those 4.


I like Urena but I don't have him yet. Probably in the 30s. The couple bad years and repeating St. Lucie twice is a bad sign, but he also dealt with some wrist injuries which can really hurt a guy at the plate. I heard some talk that he's put on some bad weight too. I think he's got a shot and 2017 was an up year for him, so . . . 30s.

Guerrero has fallen, and but I think an 18 year old in GCL with bad stats is a tough guy to rank without any kind of write-up. I'd probably have him in the 25-30 range until I hear something more definitive. He's basically pure guess for me though. I have no information.

Carpio's injury makes him tough to rank too. I think it was Jeff Paternostro who said he didn't look as sharp as he did 2 years ago i Kingsport. There's also the possibility that his injury (I forget if it was shoulder or elbow, but it was to the throwing arm), that might move him off SS to 2nd, which hurts his value. I think I have Carpio a few spots ahead of Urena.

Rhame - maybe he can be fixed but he wasn't good this September. I have a few of the trade-deadline relief pitchers ahead of him. He might be in my 40s but I'd have to check.

Just my 2 cents. I'm very very far from really knowing much about these guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:32 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
stevereiff wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
I feel like I'm hogging the nominations, but could I nominate PJ Conlon? (too soon?)


Can we nominate Gregory Guerrero or has he really fallen that far behind Gimenez?

Other considerations:
Jhoan Urena
Jacob Rhame
Luis Carpio


I only have Urena in the top 50 of those 4.


Rhame not even in Top 50? I understand those 9 innings weren't good, but that's a pretty small sample to completely discredit someone upon.


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Out of curiosity, where would some of you rank some of the honorable mentions from BA Chat:

I did want to use this question to provide some quick hits on a few other Kingsport players who had some traction. The starting SS Hansel Moreno is a 55 runner with a 55 arm who could grow into more power as he fills out his 6-foot-4 frame. CF Anthony Dirocie has a bunch of tools that could play as major league average or above, but is lacking in his approach and overall hit tool. LF/RF Wagner LaGrange has similar issues as Dirocie but is limited to the corners because he gets poor reads and has just average speed. 3B Rigoberto Terrazas tore the cover off the ball as a switch-hitter with an above average plan at the plate. He doesn’t have flashy tools but could back up a few infield positions and sneak up on a major-league job. As one manager described him, “You don’t know he’s there, but he’s there.” Lastly, RHP Christian James has a sinking fastball from 90-93 mph that he pairs with a nice slider and a developing changeup as a consistent starter.

From: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... yd6Y7P6.99

Jose Miguel Medina has tools but needs refinement. Trey Cobb is funky. But no there was no one who was in top 20 consideration and overall the cupboard is somewhat bare.

From: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... jE8B4ep.99

Or guys who got praise earlier in the year like Daison Acosta, who's stats might not have stood out, but he impressed in extended spring and early on for the GCL mets.

My 2 cents.

I think James showed enough to earn a top 50 spot and Jose Medina too, he made BA's top 30 mets. I'm more torn on the Kingsport guys and they tend to praise tools, but that doesn't mean guys are really top 50 guys being so far away.

Acosta might be top 50 too, the others seem more borderline to me.

Lagrange doesn't strike out much which I like (only guy on the team below 10%). Dirocie lead the K-Mets with 33 xbhs and a .254 ISO, but he struck out a ton. 93 times in 251 PAs.

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Anyone know anything about Jaison Vilera?

Pretty stats both last year and this year; https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... lera000jai

He signed during the Gimenez/Guerrero year, so didn't sign for much. Was 18 when he signed, from Venezuela. Sometimes guys who throw 88 put up good stats in GCL so I don't want to just go on stats.

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Sluggin' David Thompson is the choice here. Swings a heavy bat, but made it work in Binghamton after a slow start. Surprisingly competent in the field.


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LTKfRGM wrote:
Out of curiosity, where would some of you rank some of the honorable mentions from BA Chat:

I did want to use this question to provide some quick hits on a few other Kingsport players who had some traction. The starting SS Hansel Moreno is a 55 runner with a 55 arm who could grow into more power as he fills out his 6-foot-4 frame. CF Anthony Dirocie has a bunch of tools that could play as major league average or above, but is lacking in his approach and overall hit tool. LF/RF Wagner LaGrange has similar issues as Dirocie but is limited to the corners because he gets poor reads and has just average speed. 3B Rigoberto Terrazas tore the cover off the ball as a switch-hitter with an above average plan at the plate. He doesn’t have flashy tools but could back up a few infield positions and sneak up on a major-league job. As one manager described him, “You don’t know he’s there, but he’s there.” Lastly, RHP Christian James has a sinking fastball from 90-93 mph that he pairs with a nice slider and a developing changeup as a consistent starter.

From: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... yd6Y7P6.99

Jose Miguel Medina has tools but needs refinement. Trey Cobb is funky. But no there was no one who was in top 20 consideration and overall the cupboard is somewhat bare.

From: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... jE8B4ep.99

Or guys who got praise earlier in the year like Daison Acosta, who's stats might not have stood out, but he impressed in extended spring and early on for the GCL mets.

My 2 cents.

I think James showed enough to earn a top 50 spot and Jose Medina too, he made BA's top 30 mets. I'm more torn on the Kingsport guys and they tend to praise tools, but that doesn't mean guys are really top 50 guys being so far away.

Acosta might be top 50 too, the others seem more borderline to me.

Lagrange doesn't strike out much which I like (only guy on the team below 10%). Dirocie lead the K-Mets with 33 xbhs and a .254 ISO, but he struck out a ton. 93 times in 251 PAs.


Cobb is at least worth keeping our eyes on. Only saw one Cyclone game this year and he pitched. Odd delivery but hitters legit seemed to have issues with him. May totally be an NP at this time next year but he looked "interesting enough". The guys from MMO are always talking about Lagrange, Acosta is interesting. I also think Newton is worth monitoring. Dirocie very quietly hit 11 homers this year, doesn't walk at all so not really all that intriguing but who knows?

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