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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:53 pm 
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Yep, but in a wild card race with teams from other divisions it's an advantage having a team in your division that's not trying.


Not when every division has at least one dud (San Diego, Cincinatti). The dud in our division's just changing from the Phillies to the Marlins this year.

Besides like I said watch Yelich and Ozuna go to one of the other WC teams now.


Still better than Stanton going to one of those WC contenders like SF or StL


You guys just don't seem to understand that every star the Yankees gets eats away at the Mets fan base which in turn effects payroll which in turn effects winning. The worst case scenario was Stanton going to the Yankees. I find it funny that people pretend that what the Yanks do doesn't effect the Mets because they are in the other league. The Yankees are very good at making Mets ownership and management look extremely incompetent. And it also makes me laugh when people say there's nothing we can do because Stanton didn't want to come to the Mets anyway. Why would any player conceivably want to come here when the organization continously does buffoonish things? Every player knows at this point that the Wilpon's strategy plus their financial situation doesn't will not lead to sustained success. You might have one or two years where they will compete but eventually you have to pay guys when they have success and they just don't seem to be willing to do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:44 am 
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You guys just don't seem to understand that every star the Yankees gets eats away at the Mets fan base which in turn effects payroll which in turn effects winning. The worst case scenario was Stanton going to the Yankees. I find it funny that people pretend that what the Yanks do doesn't effect the Mets because they are in the other league. The Yankees are very good at making Mets ownership and management look extremely incompetent. And it also makes me laugh when people say there's nothing we can do because Stanton didn't want to come to the Mets anyway. Why would any player conceivably want to come here when the organization continously does buffoonish things? Every player knows at this point that the Wilpon's strategy plus their financial situation doesn't will not lead to sustained success. You might have one or two years where they will compete but eventually you have to pay guys when they have success and they just don't seem to be willing to do that.


I'm sorry, but this is simply false. Mets management and ownership are perfectly capable of looking extremely incompetent without any outside assistance.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:42 am 
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We haven't even gotten to the middle of December and the Mets failed. So many pieces on the table to make a bit of a nudge and nothing. I truly believe the Mets didn't even broach the topics if Maitan or Stanton because that is what they want us to believe.


They sell the idea of big names, take it back midway through the FA process and hope that you like the signings of Jose Reyes or whatever low-level arm they sign this offseason, I'll say Joe Smith. It's sad.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:29 am 
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I place a lot of blame upon the beat writers. They should be calling out ownership and management constantly for their failure to spend like a big market team should or at least give fans reasons why they aren’t. Is it still Madoff? Is it just Sandy’s philosophy? Are the Wilpons just cheap? Someone ask the hard hitting questions for goodness sakes. I realize they have a fine line they can’t cross but enough of giving the team a pass for not spending


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:42 am 
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I place a lot of blame upon the beat writers. They should be calling out ownership and management constantly for their failure to spend like a big market team should or at least give fans reasons why they aren’t. Is it still Madoff? Is it just Sandy’s philosophy? Are the Wilpons just cheap? Someone ask the hard hitting questions for goodness sakes. I realize they have a fine line they can’t cross but enough of giving the team a pass for not spending


I think those critiques will come pretty soon. I don't see that they ever work, however.

Sandy has thick skin mostly. The Wilpons always respond that it was Sandy's decision.

Media spotlight only has so much impact.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:43 am 
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jdawginsc wrote:
Steve The Original wrote:
I place a lot of blame upon the beat writers. They should be calling out ownership and management constantly for their failure to spend like a big market team should or at least give fans reasons why they aren’t. Is it still Madoff? Is it just Sandy’s philosophy? Are the Wilpons just cheap? Someone ask the hard hitting questions for goodness sakes. I realize they have a fine line they can’t cross but enough of giving the team a pass for not spending


I think those critiques will come pretty soon. I don't see that they ever work, however.

Sandy has thick skin mostly. The Wilpons always respond that it was Sandy's decision.

Media spotlight only has so much impact.


Yeah the fans are the ones that have to ultimately send a message to have a chance to change something big. The way they did with Piazza, the way they did with Cespedes.

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You guys just don't seem to understand that every star the Yankees gets eats away at the Mets fan base which in turn effects payroll which in turn effects winning. The worst case scenario was Stanton going to the Yankees..


No the worst case scenario would have been the Marlins actually getting solvent ownership and Stanton staying right where he was to continue killing us 19 times a year as they add around him while the Yankees have a great team in the making anyway. But this is 1B.

I don't disagree that people gloss over the importance of the fan war in NY, but really when have the Mets ever had a leg up on the Yankees in that area besides the late '80's? If both teams are relevant the Yankees are still gonna win that battle cause they have all the history and the marketing brand. And the Yankees pretty well ensured they are going to be relevant for another 5-7 years at least even before Stanton fell into their lap. People can knock Cashman but man he's done a masterful job with that farm system the last few years.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:58 am 
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Ultimately it is about:
1. Fans in the stands
2. Branding
3. Winning it all

A win for the Wilpons is not the newspapers, but the bottom line.

I think the Wilpons want to win...just on their terms, not the fans' or media terms. They are not going to change their modus operandi.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:01 pm 
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piazzafan wrote:
You guys just don't seem to understand that every star the Yankees gets eats away at the Mets fan base which in turn effects payroll which in turn effects winning. The worst case scenario was Stanton going to the Yankees. I find it funny that people pretend that what the Yanks do doesn't effect the Mets because they are in the other league. The Yankees are very good at making Mets ownership and management look extremely incompetent. And it also makes me laugh when people say there's nothing we can do because Stanton didn't want to come to the Mets anyway. Why would any player conceivably want to come here when the organization continously does buffoonish things? Every player knows at this point that the Wilpon's strategy plus their financial situation doesn't will not lead to sustained success. You might have one or two years where they will compete but eventually you have to pay guys when they have success and they just don't seem to be willing to do that.


I'm sorry, but this is simply false. Mets management and ownership are perfectly capable of looking extremely incompetent without any outside assistance.


A little bit from column A and a little bit from column B I think. The Knicks are every bit as incompetent as the Mets (arguably more) but they're still NY's team. Having the overachieving next-door neighbor is a factor. The Mets are George Castanza. The Yankees are Lloyd Braun.

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