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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:17 pm 
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Leonys Martin to the Tigers on a ML deal. The guy surprisingly keeps getting major league deals.


He wasn’t actually horrible two years ago. Last year was a disaster but I figured he’d get another crack with a bad team.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:26 pm 
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Cubs didn't pay 13M per for the League average. They paid for the upside.
Mets paying Harvey 6M for the upside

Sometimes you don't get the upside

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:38 pm 
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The Mets have considered Mitch Moreland in their search for a short-term answer at first base according to @JonHeyman.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:42 pm 
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Mitch Moreland over the past 2 seasons a sweet 19/22 qualified 1b in terms of fWAR, LAST in baseball in wRC+, HORRENDOUS option. #Mets

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:10 pm 
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Morland can field OK, play 1B and play the role of fill-in OF.

Last 3 years in terms of WAR

Morland: 2.2, 0.7, 2.0

Lind 3.1, -0.3, 0.8

Duda 3.0, 0.1, 1.1

Morland's 4.9 beats Lind's 3.6 and Duda's 4.2 and he's (er, probably) the best OF of the 3, not that that's saying much.

I'm not saying I want Morland, only that, I don't hate it. 1 year deal with a team option. Not awful.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:14 pm 
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Morland can field OK, play 1B and play the role of fill-in OF.

Last 3 years in terms of WAR

Morland: 2.2, 0.7, 2.0

Lind 3.1, -0.3, 0.8

Duda 3.0, 0.1, 1.1

Morland's 4.9 beats Lind's 3.6 and Duda's 4.2 and he's (er, probably) the best OF of the 3, not that that's saying much.

I'm not saying I want Morland, only that, I don't hate it. 1 year deal with a team option. Not awful.



Moreland was THE WORST offensive 1b in baseball 2016+2017 by wRC+. +93. 1.3 fWAR the last 2 seasons combined.

His rankings at 1b over the last 2 seasons-

fWAR 19/22
wRC+ 22/22
wOBA 22/22

How can you not hate it? He's been HORRENDOUS and is 32.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:16 pm 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
Morland can field OK, play 1B and play the role of fill-in OF.

Last 3 years in terms of WAR

Morland: 2.2, 0.7, 2.0

Lind 3.1, -0.3, 0.8

Duda 3.0, 0.1, 1.1

Morland's 4.9 beats Lind's 3.6 and Duda's 4.2 and he's (er, probably) the best OF of the 3, not that that's saying much.

I'm not saying I want Morland, only that, I don't hate it. 1 year deal with a team option. Not awful.



? Moreland has been worth 2+ fWAR 1 season in his entire career. Not sure where you are pulling your numbers from. Last 3 seasons 2.2, 0.4, 0.9 fWAR, 4 seasons ago he posted a robust -0.6 fWAR

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:20 pm 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
Morland can field OK, play 1B and play the role of fill-in OF.

Last 3 years in terms of WAR

Morland: 2.2, 0.7, 2.0

Lind 3.1, -0.3, 0.8

Duda 3.0, 0.1, 1.1

Morland's 4.9 beats Lind's 3.6 and Duda's 4.2 and he's (er, probably) the best OF of the 3, not that that's saying much.

I'm not saying I want Morland, only that, I don't hate it. 1 year deal with a team option. Not awful.

He's no more an OFer than Duda is. I have no idea why you're calling him an OFer. He played a bunch of games in RF in 2011 and was awful. Next year will be 2018. If you think they are going to add a guy like this and give him actual playing time in the OF, I have some land I'd like to show you next to the Meadowlands... a very nice spot. :D

Names get floated all the time and people go thru these rituals of analyzing it to the hilt. It's certainly possible in the way of stopgap 1Bman. He's not more than that. And it fits with the notion of Dom playing at least the 1st half in AAA. But Moreland would be a low ceiling reach.

I'd naturally prefer them going a little outside the box, but I know that's hard for them. Better to find an OF corner for whom the transition to 1B might be relatively easy and then you'd have someone with more versatility. Corey Dickerson? We know the Rays are open for business and want to cut some payroll...


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
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Last 4 seasons-

Moreland 33/42 fWAR at 1b... guys worse -Ryan Howard, Chris Johnson, James Loney, Adam LaRoche, Pedro Alvarez, CJ Cron, Mark Reynolds, Chris Carter and Mark Teixeira (yeah mostly retired...)

wRC+ 39/42... worse Chris Johnson, Ryan Howard, James Loney

wOBA 36/42... worse Chris Johnson, Ryan Howard, Loney, Brandon Moss, Pujols, LaRoche

Really truly beyond perplexed how someone could not "hate it". He's awful.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:28 pm 
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This would be the Mets modus operandi.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
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Metro2007 wrote:
Last 4 seasons-

Moreland 33/42 fWAR at 1b... guys worse -Ryan Howard, Chris Johnson, James Loney, Adam LaRoche, Pedro Alvarez, CJ Cron, Mark Reynolds, Chris Carter and Mark Teixeira (yeah mostly retired...)

wRC+ 39/42... worse Chris Johnson, Ryan Howard, James Loney

wOBA 36/42... worse Chris Johnson, Ryan Howard, Loney, Brandon Moss, Pujols, LaRoche

Really truly beyond perplexed how someone could not "hate it". He's awful.


I look at him as a 1 year deal type. He's a solid glove at 1st and an OK lefty bat in a platoon. Lind is a better bat but worse glove. Duda's a better player but injury prone. My point was really that there's not a huge difference between the three looking at recent performance.

I'm thinking the 1B/OF combo might no longer exist. If it does exist, I haven't found a guy who fills that role.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agents
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I'd rather have Duda on the DL than Moreland at 1B

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