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Poll ended at Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:49 am
Drew Smith (RHP) 21%  21%  [ 5 ]
Colin Holderman (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Juan Uriarte (C) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Phil Evans (UTIL) 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Jamie Callahan (RHP) 29%  29%  [ 7 ]
Nabil Crismatt (RHP) 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
Adrian Hernandez (OF) 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Adonis Uceta (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Stephen Nogosek (RHP) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
PJ Conlon (LHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 24
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 Post subject: Who is #21?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:49 am 
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If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
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** Executive decision, pulled the plug early on #7. By having the polls begin in the morning it allows for a more lively discussion. Lindsay was running away with the vote. Same with #10. Poll #11 will only have 9 options, I accidently had Kay listed a second time (copy and paste, sue me lol)

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) 12/27 votes-44%
2) David Peterson (LHP) 12/24 votes-50%
3) Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 13/24 votes-54%
4) Peter Alonso (1B) 21/28 votes-75%
5) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 10/22-45%
6) Justin Dunn (RHP) 4/20-20%, runoff with Lindsay/Guillorme/Kay 9/22-41%
7) Desmond Lindsay (OF) 12/26-46%
8) Luis Guillorme (SS) 8/25-32%, run-off with Kay 11/22-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) 9/24-38%, run-off with Bashlor 10/20-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
10) Tyler Bashlor (RHP) 11/16-69%
11) Tomas Nido (C) 6/24-25%, run-off with Molina and Oswalt 12/20 60%
12) Marcos Molina (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Evans 13/20-65%
13) Ronny Mauricio (SS) 6/17-35%
14) Gavin Cecchini (2B) 6/23-26%, run-off with Mazeika 12/15-80%
15) Chris Flexen (RHP) 8/26-31%, run-off with Mazeika/Thompson 8/11-73%
16) Patrick Mazeika (C) 6/22-27%, run-off with Thompson 8/14-57%
17) Corey Oswalt (RHP) 6/21-29%, run-off with Thompson 10/18-56%
18) David Thompson (3B) 8/21-38%
19) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 9/16-56%
20) Kevin Kaczmarski (OF) 5/14-36%
21)Gerson Bautista (RHP) 5/24-21%, run-off with Evans 11/19-58%

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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I would take Uriarte over the last 4 picked.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:47 pm 
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I would take Uriarte over the last 4 picked.

I think you can pretty much flip a coin between Uriarte and Vientos.

When I wondered if we were missing Uriarte awhile back, it wasn't because I was ready to vote for him top 10, but I figured anyone who had Vientos top 5 would have to have Uriarte top 10.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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I went will Phil Evans. There is a dream that he becomes the next Justin Turner. Oops, I just woke up!! Well, anyhoo....

After this there are a lot of interesting relief pitchers and a couple of starters, who likely are non-starters as they are nothing exciting (Holderman and Crismatt).


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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acerimusdux wrote:
MaxV wrote:
I would take Uriarte over the last 4 picked.

I think you can pretty much flip a coin between Uriarte and Vientos.

When I wondered if we were missing Uriarte awhile back, it wasn't because I was ready to vote for him top 10, but I figured anyone who had Vientos top 5 would have to have Uriarte top 10.


Vientos may be a bit high but he was a second-round pick with a lot of first-round hype as a high-upside bat. And he hit decently in rookie ball at 17.

Uriarte was a guy signed in IFA without much fanfare, and while he hit pretty well this year, he wasn't especially young for the level. And the scouting reports haven't screamed sexy upside. They've screamed maybe above-average bat and will stick at catcher.

I'll wait on Uriarte until this glut of bullpen guys is gone. I went with Callahan here. Nice fb/slider combo and he's major league ready.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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BA had Vientos #6

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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acerimusdux wrote:
MaxV wrote:
I would take Uriarte over the last 4 picked.

I think you can pretty much flip a coin between Uriarte and Vientos.

When I wondered if we were missing Uriarte awhile back, it wasn't because I was ready to vote for him top 10, but I figured anyone who had Vientos top 5 would have to have Uriarte top 10.


I don't know if I'd have him at 10, but you're right that we might be too low on him. I didn't realize he'd made BA's top 20 in the Appy. (he was #16).

BA, whether you agree or disagree with them, they seem to do some genuine scouting and they had Vientos at #6 on the mets, #10 in GCL

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... 6kiT1OS.97

Uriarte was outside the top 10 but probably not far outside.

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2017/10/vi ... ects.html/

Based on his #16 in Appy and solid bat and glove at catcher MMO writeup, I think we may have missed the boat on him. I'd have him no lower than 17, ahead of Oswalt.

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acerimusdux wrote:
MaxV wrote:
I would take Uriarte over the last 4 picked.

Vientos may be a bit high but he was a second-round pick with a lot of first-round hype as a high-upside bat. And he hit decently in rookie ball at 17.


Well Uriarte at 17 was ranked one of the top 20 prospects in the DSL. This is his second time making a league list. And even when he didn't hit well last year in the GCL, he still got mentioned in the chat as one of the interesting guys on the fringe of the list.

So he has stood out enough for scouts/observers in three separate leagues to notice him now.

And while the bat alone isn't as intriguing as Vientos's, Uriarte's solid discipline and projected 15 HR power might have as much value, when combined with his profile as a solid defensive catcher, as an above average bat might have at 3B.

And it's not like Vientos tore up the GCL this year. He had a .715 OPS. Uriarte had an .827 OPS. Uriarte is 2 years older, but excelled at a higher level.

I can see favoring Vientos, just surprised there would be more than about 5 spots between them.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:03 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Who is #21?
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acerimusdux wrote:

Well Uriarte at 17 was ranked one of the top 20 prospects in the DSL. This is his second time making a league list. And even when he didn't hit well last year in the GCL, he still got mentioned in the chat as one of the interesting guys on the fringe of the list.

So he has stood out enough for scouts/observers in three separate leagues to notice him now.

And while the bat alone isn't as intriguing as Vientos's, Uriarte's solid discipline and projected 15 HR power might have as much value, when combined with his profile as a solid defensive catcher, as an above average bat might have at 3B.

And it's not like Vientos tore up the GCL this year. He had a .715 OPS. Uriarte had an .827 OPS. Uriarte is 2 years older, but excelled at a higher level.

I can see favoring Vientos, just surprised there would be more than about 5 spots between them.


On my part, I just missed the boat. I didn't realize he'd made the top 20 this year and I'd forgotten that he'd gotten praise last year. I don't pay much attention to DSL rankings, but that adds to the support for him as a prospect.

Uriarte's signing bonus was never reported but based on available dollars it could have been in the $600 K range, which isn't bad.

Based on solid catching skills and a solid bat and top 20 ranking, he should definitely be higher. My problem is, I also like guys like Cecchini and Flexen and Maz and Molina, so I said 17, but I could put him ahead of Maz at 16. I'm torn on putting him ahead of Flexen/Cecchini.

The problem with counting spots between people is that lists can get very close and you can have 8 or 10 tossups, and not much difference between the guy at 9 and a guy at 19 or 20.

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