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Poll ended at Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:41 am
Drew Smith (RHP) 29%  29%  [ 6 ]
Colin Holderman (RHP) 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Jeff McNeil (UTIL) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jamie Callahan (RHP) 19%  19%  [ 4 ]
Nabil Crismatt (RHP) 14%  14%  [ 3 ]
Adrian Hernandez (OF) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Adonis Uceta (RHP) 24%  24%  [ 5 ]
Stephen Nogosek (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
PJ Conlon (LHP) 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Christian James (RHP) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 21
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 Post subject: Re: Who is #24?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:37 pm 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
I understand why some of these RPs are getting support in this range, but over a SPer with some real upside? I don't get that.


What makes you think Drew Smith doesn't have real upside? He has so much upside that he's upside down!!!! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #24?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:55 am 
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HeyNowHK wrote:
I understand why some of these RPs are getting support in this range, but over a SPer with some real upside? I don't get that.


Do we have any SP with real upside?
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Actually, I agree though. It's hard for me to see Adonis Uceta ranking ahead of any of Holderman or Crismatt, and maybe even James. But then I voted for Callahan, who I think could be as valuable next year as I think Crismatt might eventually be.

And I was thinking of requesting Rhame be added, as another power pen arm, though he's got work to do to do anything useful with it at MLB level, despite some decent numbers even in AAA. I might vote for a couple of those SP before him, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #24?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:18 pm 
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I think hard throwing relievers have more upside than soft tossing starters. No matter how good those starters stats look, most of the time if you don't throw hard major league hitters figure you out.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #24?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:25 am 
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I think hard throwing relievers have more upside than soft tossing starters. No matter how good those starters stats look, most of the time if you don't throw hard major league hitters figure you out.

Agree, though I think Holderman and James really aren't "soft tossing". Holderman can probably sit 92-93 now, touching 95. James is 90-93 with his sinker now, but is also only 19, and still might have some projection. Neither of those are ace potential guys, but they might at least have average MLB SP velocity.

Nabil Crismatt and Harol Gonzalez are the guys I'd worry about being underpowered, and maybe a bit undersized as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #24?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:13 am 
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acerimusdux wrote:
piazzafan wrote:
I think hard throwing relievers have more upside than soft tossing starters. No matter how good those starters stats look, most of the time if you don't throw hard major league hitters figure you out.

Agree, though I think Holderman and James really aren't "soft tossing". Holderman can probably sit 92-93 now, touching 95. James is 90-93 with his sinker now, but is also only 19, and still might have some projection. Neither of those are ace potential guys, but they might at least have average MLB SP velocity.

Nabil Crismatt and Harol Gonzalez are the guys I'd worry about being underpowered, and maybe a bit undersized as well.


Metro said Crismatt touches 95 if I remember right. Harol is more of a slow thrower. Great success in the lower minors, but velocity is a concern.

Conlon is another slow thrower with good numbers. All that said, even if James as perhaps Gsellman upside (and Gsellman, despite his poor year this year, became a pretty good prospect in 2016), but James is far enough away that I don't think I'd rank him above Smith or Uceta yet - as Smith & Ucy (can I call him Ucy?), they could help the team in 2018. being close to majors adds something. James (Kingsport) and Holderman (injury issues) are both pretty far away.

There's no right answers, but I'll be voting for Smith & Uceta over the next couple spots.

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 Post subject: Re: Who is #24?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:46 pm 
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Metro said Crismatt touches 95 if I remember right. Harol is more of a slow thrower. Great success in the lower minors, but velocity is a concern.

Don't really know, but I think he only sits maybe 91. Change is his best pitch. So I think probably throws harder than Harol, but not as hard as Holderman.

Overall package though I think probably has Crismatt in consideration right here.


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