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Poll ended at Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:01 am
Colin Holderman (RHP) 21%  21%  [ 3 ]
Jeff McNeil (UTIL) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Ali Sanchez (C) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Quinn Brodey (OF) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Adrian Hernandez (OF) 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
Jhoan Urena (Util) 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
Stephen Nogosek (RHP) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Christian James (RHP) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Jayce Boyd (1B) 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Matt Blackham (RHP) 21%  21%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 14
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 Post subject: Re: Who is #29?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:52 pm 
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In general, I remain skeptical about great numbers by lower level minors relievers. I've always felt most big league pen arms tend to come from guys who were starters in the minors. These older guys drafted out of college in the late rounds, then assigned to the pen at the lowest levels, sometimes they put up great numbers just because that's what organizational guys are supposed to do at those levels.

Certainly there will sometimes be exceptions, and I remain open to being pursuaded.

The type of guy who looks more intriguing to me on this part of a list would be a guy like Ranfy Adon. A year ago in the GCL chat, Ben Badler said this:

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Lance (Memphis): Any interesting Mets in the GCL this year?
Ben Badler: They had quite a few names that came up on the periphery of the Top 20, either guys who performed well but didn’t have big tools, or toolsy types who didn’t hit well. The two catchers they had, Carlos Sanchez and Juan Uriarte are both interesting, but the biggest tools guy on the team was Ranfy Adon. Terrific athlete, great runner, strong arm, highly projectable body and the raw power is in there, but the bat is still very much a project. If you take 20 players like him, maybe one or two will end up panning out, but if the light bulb ever goes on at the plate, the raw tools he already has in place could make it exciting.
Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ ... D2oQLh3.99


And that was after a year where he had horrid numbers, hitting .195 with a .560 OPS. This year he hit .286 with a .798 OPS. It's not good that he was repeating the GCL at 19. But at least he was showing some progress.

To me, the tools only guys are also pretty much a dime a dozen. But when a guy like that starts to show some numbers, I think that's maybe worth a lottery ticket, here. He's got to do it at a higher level than the GCL at this point to be a top 20 candidate, but I think he's in the top 50 here somewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #29?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:10 pm 
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acerimusdux wrote:
In general, I remain skeptical about great numbers by lower level minors relievers. I've always felt most big league pen arms tend to come from guys who were starters in the minors. These older guys drafted out of college in the late rounds, then assigned to the pen at the lowest levels, sometimes they put up great numbers just because that's what organizational guys are supposed to do at those levels.

Certainly there will sometimes be exceptions, and I remain open to being pursuaded.

The type of guy who looks more intriguing to me on this part of a list would be a guy like Ranfy Adon. A year ago in the GCL chat, Ben Badler said this:

Quote:
Lance (Memphis): Any interesting Mets in the GCL this year?
Ben Badler: They had quite a few names that came up on the periphery of the Top 20, either guys who performed well but didn’t have big tools, or toolsy types who didn’t hit well. The two catchers they had, Carlos Sanchez and Juan Uriarte are both interesting, but the biggest tools guy on the team was Ranfy Adon. Terrific athlete, great runner, strong arm, highly projectable body and the raw power is in there, but the bat is still very much a project. If you take 20 players like him, maybe one or two will end up panning out, but if the light bulb ever goes on at the plate, the raw tools he already has in place could make it exciting.
Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ ... D2oQLh3.99


And that was after a year where he had horrid numbers, hitting .195 with a .560 OPS. This year he hit .286 with a .798 OPS. It's not good that he was repeating the GCL at 19. But at least he was showing some progress.

To me, the tools only guys are also pretty much a dime a dozen. But when a guy like that starts to show some numbers, I think that's maybe worth a lottery ticket, here. He's got to do it at a higher level than the GCL at this point to be a top 20 candidate, but I think he's in the top 50 here somewhere.


It would help if he played in more than 12 games, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Who is #29?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:26 pm 
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Yeah I have a really hard time putting much merit into a ".798" OPS that came in a repeat season over....56 ab's! Maybe he ends up being interesting but if anything his stock should be DOWN from those comments, essentially a lost season.

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