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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:37 am 
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Cecchini and Nimmo were experimental. Dom was a solid choice where they drafted him.

Other rounds were a bit odd at times.


If we didn't take Cecchini someone else would have in the next 5 picks.

And imagine how different things would be if Nimmo could run.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:15 am 
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Maybe one way to fix the farm is to pamper the farm players. We have all heard stories about how bad of a struggle it is for kids that aren't bonus babies. They get $10,000 signing bonuses and basically live in poverty until they make the show (if they make the show). Maybe the Mets should invest in cooks and nutritionists and actually provide free healthy meals to every one of their prospects. Also, maybe the Wilpons should buy an apartment building in every Mets minor league city and provide their prospects with free room and board. Not having to worry about money is huge for a prospects state of mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:36 am 
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Maybe one way to fix the farm is to pamper the farm players. We have all heard stories about how bad of a struggle it is for kids that aren't bonus babies. They get $10,000 signing bonuses and basically live in poverty until they make the show (if they make the show). Maybe the Mets should invest in cooks and nutritionists and actually provide free healthy meals to every one of their prospects. Also, maybe the Wilpons should buy an apartment building in every Mets minor league city and provide their prospects with free room and board. Not having to worry about money is huge for a prospects state of mind.



Hey, good luck with that.

Jeff Bezos is worth $105 billion dollars and 10% of Amazon workers in Ohio are on Food Stamps.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:45 am 
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piazzafan wrote:
Maybe one way to fix the farm is to pamper the farm players. We have all heard stories about how bad of a struggle it is for kids that aren't bonus babies. They get $10,000 signing bonuses and basically live in poverty until they make the show (if they make the show). Maybe the Mets should invest in cooks and nutritionists and actually provide free healthy meals to every one of their prospects. Also, maybe the Wilpons should buy an apartment building in every Mets minor league city and provide their prospects with free room and board. Not having to worry about money is huge for a prospects state of mind.



Hey, good luck with that.

Jeff Bezos is worth $105 billion dollars and 10% of Amazon workers in Ohio are on Food Stamps.


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Amazon is successful though, so there's no reason (except for morals), for Bezos to change his business plan. The Mets on the other hand need all the help they can get.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:43 pm 
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piazzafan wrote:
Maybe one way to fix the farm is to pamper the farm players. We have all heard stories about how bad of a struggle it is for kids that aren't bonus babies. They get $10,000 signing bonuses and basically live in poverty until they make the show (if they make the show). Maybe the Mets should invest in cooks and nutritionists and actually provide free healthy meals to every one of their prospects. Also, maybe the Wilpons should buy an apartment building in every Mets minor league city and provide their prospects with free room and board. Not having to worry about money is huge for a prospects state of mind.


That's an awesome idea. If you think on it for a while it gets better. I wonder if it would it influence a kid's decision to sign? Would it inspire some long term loyalty to the organization?

It could be a great ROI


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Sell off deGrom, Cespedes, Familia, Lagares -- any vets with value. If we do that we'll go back to having a good farm.

But good major leaguers are more valuable than prospects. Especially when they're young and under control. The Cubs have a barren farm system and I don't think they especially care.

Imagine Conforto, Rosario, Nimmo, Plawecki, Dom, and Thor as prospects and our "young core" isn't so bad. We just need to be willing to invest in the team to cover up holes like pitching depth or guys who can hit and play CF legitimately -- but we don't seem to be willing to do that.

I don't think we've drafted that badly lately, but the fruits of later rounds don't bloom until years later, and it's not a good idea to expect drafts to produce immediate results.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
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MookieWouldaBeatIt wrote:
piazzafan wrote:
Maybe one way to fix the farm is to pamper the farm players. We have all heard stories about how bad of a struggle it is for kids that aren't bonus babies. They get $10,000 signing bonuses and basically live in poverty until they make the show (if they make the show). Maybe the Mets should invest in cooks and nutritionists and actually provide free healthy meals to every one of their prospects. Also, maybe the Wilpons should buy an apartment building in every Mets minor league city and provide their prospects with free room and board. Not having to worry about money is huge for a prospects state of mind.


That's an awesome idea. If you think on it for a while it gets better. I wonder if it would it influence a kid's decision to sign? Would it inspire some long term loyalty to the organization?

It could be a great ROI


One of my coworkers is friends with Vinnie Sienna who is a minor leaguer for the Mets. Once the signing bonus dries up (and remember a good part of that bonus go's to taxes) these players essentially work for less than minimum wage. According to my coworker, a lot of these guys (especially the international players) fill up on fast food because eating healthy is just too expensive. I'm not sure if it would inspire a kid's decision to sign because kids and their agents usually just focus on the signing bonus and I don't see them factoring in free rent and food as an incentive (but they should).


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
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Sell off deGrom, Cespedes, Familia, Lagares -- any vets with value. If we do that we'll go back to having a good farm.

But good major leaguers are more valuable than prospects. Especially when they're young and under control. The Cubs have a barren farm system and I don't think they especially care.

Imagine Conforto, Rosario, Nimmo, Plawecki, Dom, and Thor as prospects and our "young core" isn't so bad. We just need to be willing to invest in the team to cover up holes like pitching depth or guys who can hit and play CF legitimately -- but we don't seem to be willing to do that.

I don't think we've drafted that badly lately, but the fruits of later rounds don't bloom until years later, and it's not a good idea to expect drafts to produce immediate results.


I agree but on the pitching front the Mets minor league system is getting killed by Tommy John surgeries so I think the Mets really need to focus on keeping the arms healthy because having so many arms lose two years of development time is devastating. Also, can anyone explain why the Mets wasted a 2nd round pick on Anthony Kay when it was reported they saw his medicals and knew he was hurt? If Kay was a flame thrower that topped out at 100 MPH I would say, ok that's a good risk to take but to draft a soft tosser in the second round who was injured is just stupid. Good organizations don't throw away second round picks.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
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piazzafan wrote:
Hot Takes wrote:
Sell off deGrom, Cespedes, Familia, Lagares -- any vets with value. If we do that we'll go back to having a good farm.

But good major leaguers are more valuable than prospects. Especially when they're young and under control. The Cubs have a barren farm system and I don't think they especially care.

Imagine Conforto, Rosario, Nimmo, Plawecki, Dom, and Thor as prospects and our "young core" isn't so bad. We just need to be willing to invest in the team to cover up holes like pitching depth or guys who can hit and play CF legitimately -- but we don't seem to be willing to do that.

I don't think we've drafted that badly lately, but the fruits of later rounds don't bloom until years later, and it's not a good idea to expect drafts to produce immediate results.


I agree but on the pitching front the Mets minor league system is getting killed by Tommy John surgeries so I think the Mets really need to focus on keeping the arms healthy because having so many arms lose two years of development time is devastating. Also, can anyone explain why the Mets wasted a 2nd round pick on Anthony Kay when it was reported they saw his medicals and knew he was hurt? If Kay was a flame thrower that topped out at 100 MPH I would say, ok that's a good risk to take but to draft a soft tosser in the second round who was injured is just stupid. Good organizations don't throw away second round picks.


We took Kay to save slot money to get a guy like Planck.
But he also went down with TJS... Its a no win scenario when this happens to everyone you draft...


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:51 pm 
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That is inaccurate. The Mets took Kay, then realized he needed TJ which allowed them to lower his bonus and THEN allowed them to go after Planck. They did NOT take Kay as part of a grand plan to add both.

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The jury is still out on that Kay pick. Calling it a "wasted pick" is kinda silly at this point. Maybe we evaluated him as a lefty starter likely to reach the majors quickly and also saw we could get him under value because of his injury. What's wrong with that?

And maybe Planck turns out to be a really good prospect as well. Too early to say.


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 Post subject: Re: Any ideas on how to fix the Farm System?
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The jury is still out on that Kay pick. Calling it a "wasted pick" is kinda silly at this point. Maybe we evaluated him as a lefty starter likely to reach the majors quickly and also saw we could get him under value because of his injury. What's wrong with that?

And maybe Planck turns out to be a really good prospect as well. Too early to say.


It's not really fair to call it a wasted pick when you find out that the guy has arm trouble after you draft him. It's not the same thing as taking a risk on a guy with an injury history only to see injuries prevent him from developing.

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