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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:10 am 
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Bottom line here is that it makes the failure to get Cozart - better player at position of need, at the same money - all the more infuriating.


No. You've got a better argument with keeping Cabrera.

This is annoying on it's own level.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:26 am 
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Nitey would you rather have Duda and he plays some occasional OF or Bruce and he plays some occasional 1B? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:29 am 
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MookieWouldaBeatIt wrote:
Nitey would you rather have Duda and he plays some occasional OF or Bruce and he plays some occasional 1B? :)



Day's young.

Check back later.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:43 am 
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thebull wrote:
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The guy 2 years older, injury-prone and worth negative WAR last season?


Huh? He’s played only 10 less games than Bruce the past three years.


That's the part you bring up, not the part where he's older and worse? And the 3 years before that he played 70, 110, 135.


Wrong again

CarGo 2015-2017
.278 .338 .493

Bruce 2015-2017
.243 .309 .482

And he's literally only 1.5 years older. Hardly the issue you make it out to be.

CarGo is likely going to also only get two years with a lower AAV. Steamer has them both be a 1 WAR player next year.

Better player, less money and years. Yea, as I said, the Bruce deal is going to look a lot worse once CarGo signs.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:54 am 
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Ralf, you're using numbers that are likely no longer relevant for Cargo. He's aging and has declined. Last season he was absolutely awful and he's always had poor Home/Road splits.

Include 2014 in your above numbers and both he and Bruce have a 103 OPS+.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
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thebull wrote:
Ralf, you're using numbers that are likely no longer relevant for Cargo. He's aging and has declined. Last season he was absolutely awful and he's always had poor Home/Road splits.

Include 2014 in your above numbers and both he and Bruce have a 103 OPS+.


Steamer 2018 Projections

GarGo
.256/.322/.453 .328 wOBA 101 wRC+ 0.9 WAR

Bruce
.250/.318/.476 .334 wOBA 106 wRC+ 1.0 WAR

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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:13 am 
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Ralf wrote:
thebull wrote:
Ralf, you're using numbers that are likely no longer relevant for Cargo. He's aging and has declined. Last season he was absolutely awful and he's always had poor Home/Road splits.

Include 2014 in your above numbers and both he and Bruce have a 103 OPS+.


Steamer 2018 Projections

GarGo
.256/.322/.453 .328 wOBA 101 wRC+ 0.9 WAR

Bruce
.250/.318/.476 .334 wOBA 106 wRC+ 1.0 WAR


I'll take the guy who's younger and had the better 2016-17.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
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You're really reaching. Steamer numbers? Those are fictional numbers.

Have you ever looked at how Gonzalez has performed on the road in his career?


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:21 am 
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Ralf wrote:
thebull wrote:
Ralf, you're using numbers that are likely no longer relevant for Cargo. He's aging and has declined. Last season he was absolutely awful and he's always had poor Home/Road splits.

Include 2014 in your above numbers and both he and Bruce have a 103 OPS+.


Steamer 2018 Projections

GarGo
.256/.322/.453 .328 wOBA 101 wRC+ 0.9 WAR

Bruce
.250/.318/.476 .334 wOBA 106 wRC+ 1.0 WAR


That clearly downplays Bruce's ninja 1B skills!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:47 am 
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Just think, the Mets now have Jay Bruce and Ryder Ryan too!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
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Last offseason Sandy wanted to run Jay Bruce out of town. Now he gives him a 3 year contract. My fear is that the old Jay Bruce shows up.....when he was with Cincy he was notoriously streaky. It was to the point where he would catch fire early, and then he would go two months where he couldn't make contact with the baseball at all. Truthfully, I would rather have signed Eduardo Nunez and another reliever then role the dice on Jay Bruce.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets sign Jay Bruce 3 years 39 million
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:55 am 
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MookieWouldaBeatIt wrote:
Mets had only two OFs in their top 30 NYFS prospects (7 and 20)
They needed a solid OF It was a good move.

More good moves still necessary


More importantly they needed a solid bat in the middle of the order.
Not an amazing signing but better than a lot of the names being bantered around.

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