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 Post subject: Re: Agency with multiple Mets clients tied to PED's in new s
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:46 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Agency with multiple Mets clients tied to PED's in new s
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:26 am 
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Familia is one of several ACES clients in the Mets clubhouse. The Brooklyn-based agency also represents Mets captain David Wright, outfielder Juan Lagares and catcher Kevin Plawecki, who said he had just heard about the case secondhand Tuesday morning in the clubhouse.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.3817685


If those are the only Mets guys that are clients, I can honestly say .....whew what a relief. But I think this blows up the whole, the ball is juiced baloney MLB has been feeding the press. People tend to forget that AROD basically showed the whole world how to beat MLB's drug test with the use of gummies. The way 30 home runs have now become the new norm, I'm willing to bet this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I know the HR craze of the late 90s/early 00s was largely linked to PEDs and players being huge. But I find it hard to believe there haven’t been plenty of pitchers over the years using PED. How do we know the pitching dominance prior to last season wasn’t due in part to more PED use among pitchers? Why is it only good offensive performances that generate PED accusations?

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 Post subject: Re: Agency with multiple Mets clients tied to PED's in new s
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 am 
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There is so much debate as to the "positive" impact and the degree of such impact that PED's have on baseball players. Therefore, one must attempt to sort out and try to generalize what PED's have ACTUALLY contributed. Here is my own thoughts:

1. I find it almost universally a given that steroids contribute to a player's longetivity and stamina. As to pitchers, we don't know how many used PEDS's during the 90's. However, very safely assuming that Roger Clemens wasn't the only pitcher using PED's, we may have noted some pitchers enjoying decent performances into their late 30's, there is scant evidence that stamina was any better then than now. On the other hand, we DO see more and more pitchers today topping at 95 mph and above. But this didn't happen since 2015. It has been evolving.

2. Steroids largely increase upper body muscle strength. However, pitching is so much more influenced from other things than just upper body muscle strength. You see literally obese men who can still pitch rather well. These pitchers are not built up with upper body muscles but instead are loaded with mid body fat. The point I am making is a pitcher's effectiveness depends on an all-encompassing utilization of wrists, elbows, shoulders, legs and psyche, There is little evidence of whether PED's have much influence on a pitcher's performance, In fact, from what I have read, it may depend solely on the individual....some may have benefited and for some, it may have actually hurt. With that in mind, it may very well be a crap shoot and for most, may not be worth the risk. A 33 YO pitcher in decline may take that risk but I don't see a 20 something pitcher nearing or in his prime having any interest unless his name is Jenry Mejia.

With that, who really knows for sure? All we can do is speculate, generalize, rationalize or assume because there are no real facts.I think it is safe to say that there were players who by all means benefitted from PED's. What we don't know is how many didn't really benefit. And we may never really know how many pitchers have really benefitted or even used PED's for that matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Agency with multiple Mets clients tied to PED's in new s
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:32 pm 
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MetGirl5 wrote:
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Familia is one of several ACES clients in the Mets clubhouse. The Brooklyn-based agency also represents Mets captain David Wright, outfielder Juan Lagares and catcher Kevin Plawecki, who said he had just heard about the case secondhand Tuesday morning in the clubhouse.


I know the HR craze of the late 90s/early 00s was largely linked to PEDs and players being huge. But I find it hard to believe there haven’t been plenty of pitchers over the years using PED. How do we know the pitching dominance prior to last season wasn’t due in part to more PED use among pitchers? Why is it only good offensive performances that generate PED accusations?


I think the pitchers got their share of accusations too. But with hitters IMHO, there always seems to be guys who stunk or been average for years, then all of a sudden start becoming offensive juggernauts for example Scooter Gennett last year. The pitchers don't seem to have that tell tale sign unless the velocity all of a sudden goes from topping out at 92 then all of a sudden the guy is hitting 98 for example a guy like Charlie Morton last year or Eric Gagne several years ago. Also, if your 38 years old you shouldn't be able to hit 98 MPH on the radar gun.


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