Mickey ain't seeing anything from Harvey judging from his comments. He's a pitching guru. If Harvey had some great secondary stuff then maybe he's fixable. Dude has ugatz. Doesn't even throw his curveball for some reason.
Harvey will either be a starter or be released/traded. But yea he should to the pen if he plans to remain on the team. Imagine he'll be sulking there though
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Harvey has the stuff to be a good pen arm. His slider has been fine this year, but that's been his only effective pitch. If he moves to the pen, he probably gains a bit back on the fastball, and can likely throw FB/SL only in short relief, and have good results.
Wheeler and Matz both have better repetoires to be starting pitchers. Harvey though would likely benefit most of the three from a move to the pen.
Harvey was healthy last year and was absolutely awful. He's healthy this year and has been absolutely awful. He lost around 4 MPH on his fastball since he came up. Sonny Gray has lost nothing on his fastball. And if Gray had been awful last year and not good, his rope would be a lot shorter as well.
Harvey was healthy last year and was absolutely awful. He's healthy this year and has been absolutely awful. He lost around 4 MPH on his fastball since he came up. Sonny Gray has lost nothing on his fastball. And if Gray had been awful last year and not good, his rope would be a lot shorter as well.
Actually I thought Gray should have been bombed last year when he was traded to the Yanks. It has to be some sort of culture shock to go from one of most pitcher friendly parks to a band box. Looks like the AL East and the short porch at Yankee stadium are catching up to him.
Harvey has the stuff to be a good pen arm. His slider has been fine this year, but that's been his only effective pitch. If he moves to the pen, he probably gains a bit back on the fastball, and can likely throw FB/SL only in short relief, and have good results.
Wheeler and Matz both have better repetoires to be starting pitchers. Harvey though would likely benefit most of the three from a move to the pen.
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I find this talk about Kelenic comical. He's a 19 year old kid who hit .253 at Kingsport and struck out once a game and people are talking like he's the second coming. Get real people. When you have a chance to get the best reliever in the game who's only 24 and give up Kelenic in the deal, you MAKE that deal. Stop with the nonsense.
Who cares? Right now there are too many times he goes out there with four average or below offerings, and up and down command of those offerings. At some point it will become too much to worry about, and offer no longterm help, and he'll be outta there.
Who cares? Right now there are too many times he goes out there with four average or below offerings, and up and down command of those offerings. At some point it will become too much to worry about, and offer no longterm help, and he'll be outta there.
The Wilpons don't exactly have short leashes with guys they are paying a lot of money to. They will wait until he really hurts the team before they get rid of him. And in all honesty I don't think Jason Vargas will be that much better. Relying on guys with bad fastballs (even though they are lefties), is not a smart gamble, especially in the juiced ball (and possibly juiced player era). The market was so pro management this year that the Mets could have really given out a lot of minor league deals to some decent arms to protect themselves. Of course they didn't because you know...their the Mets.
Who cares? Right now there are too many times he goes out there with four average or below offerings, and up and down command of those offerings. At some point it will become too much to worry about, and offer no longterm help, and he'll be outta there.
The Wilpons don't exactly have short leashes with guys they are paying a lot of money to. They will wait until he really hurts the team before they get rid of him. And in all honesty I don't think Jason Vargas will be that much better. Relying on guys with bad fastballs (even though they are lefties), is not a smart gamble, especially in the juiced ball (and possibly juiced player era). The market was so pro management this year that the Mets could have really given out a lot of minor league deals to some decent arms to protect themselves. Of course they didn't because you know...their the Mets.
Not sure what you wanted them to do. They bought a legitimate 6th starter, with 7 and 8 in the bullpen and 9 and 10 doing their tI'm in Vegas. And that's with the personal preference being to discount montero in any of that. How many guys would have signed here not getting a shot at the rotation?
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