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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:05 pm 
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Did Bruce actually bat in the 1st? Or they just called ACab out after he doubled?

How is Bruce's AB accounted for? Weird.


ASCab goes into the books as a put out to the catcher.

Bruce should lead off the 2nd.



I guess not. Bruce is the one who loses an AB and ACab gets to keep the double. Makes more sense, sort of.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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The umpiring crew says Jay Bruce was called out in the first inning, despite the fact that he did nothing wrong. He's 0-for-1. Cabrera's double stands.

Chaos, folks.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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Ok, I'm done with the out of turn stuff, and back onto my other soapbox...

NL BASEBALL WOOT!!! The pure beauty of seeing Zack Wheeler strike out there without really any chance of providing a hit there makes me know all is right and pure. God forbid the Reds have to actually face a real hitter there to get through a 2nd and 3rd, 1 out jam - THAT would be blasphemous.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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Cabrera bobbles the ball behind second base and has no play. Would have been a tough play but should have been made.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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HeyNowHK wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
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Did Bruce actually bat in the 1st? Or they just called ACab out after he doubled?

How is Bruce's AB accounted for? Weird.


ASCab goes into the books as a put out to the catcher.

Bruce should lead off the 2nd.



I guess not. Bruce is the one who loses an AB and ACab gets to keep the double. Makes more sense, sort of.


Does it, though? Bruce [would have] batted in his right spot.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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It doesn't make sense. So if Cabrera homered, it would have counted? Then Riggleman would have looked like the fool for not bringing it up first, no?


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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I think the Mets may have officially broken the official scorer. Now apparently Cabrera is officially 0-0, but Bruce stays 0-1? What?


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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That call made no sense. Cabrera doubles but should be called out for batting out of order. Like a guy who gets a hit but passes the runner.

Why penalize Bruce? If it's a rule, it's stupid.


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At least Wheeler looks decent so far.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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If he's out of order soon as Cabrera came into the batters box it should have been automatic out. If challenged after the fact then Cabrera still out but then lineup card is fixed so Bruce is ok at 4? I have no idea this is dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: 5/9 Getaway day in Cinci
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Yikes.

Batting out of turn happens, but not usually because you handed in the wrong lineup card.


When.


It actually happens about once every two seasons:

http://retrosheet.org/outturn.htm

I scouted a game where the Giants did it, but I also scouted a game with a Major Leaguer stole first base, so I might have just had weird luck :D


But most of those are substitution issues and it seems a lot of them didn't even get logged as an official out of turn.

This is the one I can find that has similarities:

5/20/2009 - The Brewers were playing in Houston. In the bottom of the first inning, Michael Bourn batted first and singled to right. Brewers manager Ken Macha came out to talk with HP umpire Eric Cooper and pointed out that Kazuo Matsui was listed first on the lineup card. Matsui was called out and it was Bourn's turn to hit. This time, Bourn walked and scored when Lance Berkman doubled. The Astros won despite the flub, 6-4.


So by this, Cabrera should have been ruled out, and Bruce hits, right?


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