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Author:  HeyNowHK [ Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

bygranddesign wrote:
It’s fair to provide updates on Kelenic’s performance

No one was objecting when people called him a bust and overrated

No one called him a bust, but overrated... well some people want to send him directly to Cooperstown so how could he not be overrated?? :wink:

Author:  bygranddesign [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:14 am ]
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Saying a kid is overrated is sometimes used as a sly way of knocking a prospect but with little accountability

I understand if you saying something like - You are overrating the prospect because you think he is the 2nd coming of Willie Mays

But if you are saying in general that he is an overrated prospect then you are in opposition to the general consensus

Kelenic has been generally rated in the 50-70 prospect range ... if you think he is overrated than you disagree with that assessment and therefore you will be very wrong if he ends up being a top 20 prospect in baseball

Author:  northway [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:06 am ]
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bygranddesign wrote:
Saying a kid is overrated is sometimes used as a sly way of knocking a prospect but with little accountability

I understand if you saying something like - You are overrating the prospect because you think he is the 2nd coming of Willie Mays

But if you are saying in general that he is an overrated prospect then you are in opposition to the general consensus

Kelenic has been generally rated in the 50-70 prospect range ... if you think he is overrated than you disagree with that assessment and therefore you will be very wrong if he ends up being a top 20 prospect in baseball


Most of the chatter about his being overrated was a direct response to his being compared favorably to Curtis Granderson in the context of that being a lower-end outcome.

Author:  bygranddesign [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

I think it was LTK that made that comp and he said it because they have a similar skill set

Which I think is reasonable - I don’t think he was saying that Grandy was some easily attainable lower end projection for Kelenic

Author:  jdawginsc [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:33 am ]
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bygranddesign wrote:
I think it was LTK that made that comp and he said it because they have a similar skill set

Which I think is reasonable - I don’t think he was saying that Grandy was some easily attainable lower end projection for Kelenic


That was my interpretation as well.

Speed, power, defensively solid, high BB, high K.

I think it's an apt comparison.

Author:  HeyNowHK [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:25 am ]
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R Nitelight wrote:
HeyNowHK wrote:
LOL, every time Kellenic has a multi-hit we're going to hear this. :D


A couple of multi-hit games by Cano would go a long way toward muting that.


8)

As if there is some doubt about this happening.

Author:  HeyNowHK [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

northway wrote:
bygranddesign wrote:
Saying a kid is overrated is sometimes used as a sly way of knocking a prospect but with little accountability

I understand if you saying something like - You are overrating the prospect because you think he is the 2nd coming of Willie Mays

But if you are saying in general that he is an overrated prospect then you are in opposition to the general consensus

Kelenic has been generally rated in the 50-70 prospect range ... if you think he is overrated than you disagree with that assessment and therefore you will be very wrong if he ends up being a top 20 prospect in baseball


Most of the chatter about his being overrated was a direct response to his being compared favorably to Curtis Granderson in the context of that being a lower-end outcome.

Not at all. Some people here have been talking about him like he’s the next Trout since he was drafted. He may end up being very good or he may not. But he’s played what, 15 games above rookie ball..? May get a little better idea of what sort of player he can be after he’s actually played a full season.

I understand the disappointment of giving up a potentially good young player but he’s gone and he’s not coming back folks. At some point you’ll have to move on. There’s especially no point in having this eat you up inside before he actually turns into anything.

Author:  Ralf [ Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

Four weeks in:

Relic Cano (WAR 0.3)
AB 95, H 27, HR 3, R 9, RBI 11, BA .284, OBP .340, SLG .453, OPS .792, OPS+ 117

Edwin Diaz (WAR 0.5)
ERA 1.04, G 10, SV 7, IP 8.2, SO 16, WHIP 1.038

Jay Bruce (WAR 0.3)
AB 81, H 16, HR 9, R 15, RBI 16, BA .198, OBP .275, SLG .568, OPS .844, OPS+ 123

Anthony Swarzak (WAR 0.4)
ERA 3.24, G 9, SV 3, IP 8.1, SO 11, WHIP 1.200

Justin Dunn (AAA)
ERA 3.44, G 4, GS 4, IP 18.1, H 16, R 8, ER 7, HR 0, BB 8, K 27, WHIP 1.309

Jarred Kelenic (A)
AB 75, H 24, HR 2, R 13, RBI 10, BB 13, K 22, BA .320, OBP .427, SLG .493, OPS .920

Gerson Bautista (Injured)

Author:  MarkJohnson>You [ Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:54 pm ]
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You’re missing a negative sign re Swarzak. And Dunn is in AA.’

Author:  Ralf [ Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

45% of the season in on Brodie "Come Get Us" Van Wagenen's career defining trade:


Relic Cano (WAR -0.4)
AB 175, H 42, HR 3, R 16, RBI 14, BA .240, OBP .289, SLG .371, OPS .660, OPS+ 78

Armando Diaz (WAR 0.4)
ERA 3.77, G 30, SV 15, SVO 18, IP 28.2, K 45, WHIP 1.360, FIP 3.25

vs.

Jay Bruuuuce (WAR 1.1)
AB 204, H 47, HR 19, R 36, RBI 41, BA .230, OBP .293, SLG .574, OPS .867, OPS+ 127

Anthony Swarzak (WAR 0.4)
ERA 3.12, G 27, SV 4, SVO 7, IP 26.0, K 33, WHIP 1.231, FIP 5.76


PLUS!


Justin Dunn (AA)
ERA 3.66, G 12, GS 12, IP 59.0, H 58, R 31, ER 24, HR 3, BB 18, K 72, WHIP 1.288

Jarred "Chipper Jones" Kelenic (A / A+)
AB 215, H 68, HR 13, R 40, RBI 34, BB 27, K 50, BA .316, OBP .398, SLG .595, OPS .993

Gerson Bautista (Injured)

Author:  zaknim [ Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

72 K for Dunn not 27.

Author:  bygranddesign [ Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz are Mets

Kelenic has been on the DL for awhile now

Anyone know what happened?

Did BVW do a Gillooly on him?

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