Some entertaining choices there Tom. Joe Foy makes for great storytelling, but there's about 500 mets more deserving.
And Gooden was part of the 86 rotation.
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| Author: | TomInNC [ Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
I’m a no for Doc and Straw. Yes for Wright and Hernandez |
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| Author: | Kevin From Spotswood [ Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
This should have happened years ago. As for others, it’s hard to justify retiring anyone who played fewer than 10 years with the Mets. |
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| Author: | TomInNC [ Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
Kevin From Spotswood wrote: This should have happened years ago. As for others, it’s hard to justify retiring anyone who played fewer than 10 years with the Mets. You mean like Piazza? |
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| Author: | Kevin From Spotswood [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
TomInNC wrote: Kevin From Spotswood wrote: This should have happened years ago. As for others, it’s hard to justify retiring anyone who played fewer than 10 years with the Mets. You mean like Piazza? I said it is hard to justify, not impossible. I'm ok with Piazza, but he meant more to the team than just his numbers. Typically, retiring a number for a guy who was only with the team for 5-7 years requires that they do something historic. You can give a player a plaque and enshrine him into the team hall of fame without retiring his number. And as far as Koos goes, if the team had any offense at all in the 70's his HoF credentials would be as good as lot of guys who are already in there. Its laughable that he had 4 losing seasons posting the numbers that he did. The only thing that Sutton and Mussina had on Koosman were better teams behind them. |
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| Author: | Metsfan980 [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
Quote: Asked whether the retirement of Koosman's number means the Mets will be retiring other numbers in the future, Wilpon said "we have a plan to catch up." https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/mets-annou ... /310895326 I wonder if number 5 is retired for both Davey Johnson and David Wright. |
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| Author: | TomInNC [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
Kevin From Spotswood wrote: TomInNC wrote: Kevin From Spotswood wrote: This should have happened years ago. As for others, it’s hard to justify retiring anyone who played fewer than 10 years with the Mets. You mean like Piazza? I said it is hard to justify, not impossible. I'm ok with Piazza, but he meant more to the team than just his numbers. Typically, retiring a number for a guy who was only with the team for 5-7 years requires that they do something historic. You can give a player a plaque and enshrine him into the team hall of fame without retiring his number. And as far as Koos goes, if the team had any offense at all in the 70's his HoF credentials would be as good as lot of guys who are already in there. Its laughable that he had 4 losing seasons posting the numbers that he did. The only thing that Sutton and Mussina had on Koosman were better teams behind them. You don't think Hernandez was as important to the Mets winning a World Series as what other considered players have done for the team? Then add in his "icon" status with the fans and years with the team as a broadcaster? |
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| Author: | LTKfRGM [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
Kevin From Spotswood wrote: TomInNC wrote: Kevin From Spotswood wrote: This should have happened years ago. As for others, it’s hard to justify retiring anyone who played fewer than 10 years with the Mets. You mean like Piazza? I said it is hard to justify, not impossible. I'm ok with Piazza, but he meant more to the team than just his numbers. Typically, retiring a number for a guy who was only with the team for 5-7 years requires that they do something historic. You can give a player a plaque and enshrine him into the team hall of fame without retiring his number. And as far as Koos goes, if the team had any offense at all in the 70's his HoF credentials would be as good as lot of guys who are already in there. Its laughable that he had 4 losing seasons posting the numbers that he did. The only thing that Sutton and Mussina had on Koosman were better teams behind them. Moose had an 82 career war and 14 3 war seasons. Sutton had a 66.7 career war and he was boosted by playing for good teams and his 324 wins. He pitched for 23 seasons, well past his prime. Sutton had 9 3-war seasons and 6 more between 2.4 and 2.9. Sutton got votes for cy young 5 times and finished first in the league in WHIP 4 times. Koos had a 53.6 career war, 8 3 war seasons and 4 more between 2.1 and 2.9, he finished first in FIP once and first in K's per 9 once. He got cy young votes twice. I think Moose 16 quality seasons in an 18 year career and his 88 WAR puts him in a different category and a lock for the Hall. Sutton and Koos are close, but the difference there is that Sutton had the longevity to get 300 wins. I agree with you that if Sutton had been a met and gotten 30 fewer wins as a result . . . maybe he doesn't see the Hall. I think Koos is a tough case for the hall no matter what team you put him on. On the Wilpon "We're catching up" - I'm curous who's going to be next. David Wright is, I think, a lock, but who are the others? |
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| Author: | TomInNC [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
In order of deserving an honor like this from the Mets: Wright Hernandez Carter Beltran Kranepool Jones Matlack Agee Grote Every other member of the 69 Mets The 1986 rotation (less Gooden) Santana Orosco Knight Cone The great defensive infield Delgado Todd Pratt Endy Leiter Franco Kingman Jefferies McReynolds Every member of the 1962 team Strawberry Craig Swan Felix Milan John Maine Ed Hearn Roger McDowell Rickey Henderson Todd Zeile Neil Allen Nolan Ryan Joe Foy Jim Fregosi Gooden |
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| Author: | LTKfRGM [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
Some entertaining choices there Tom. Joe Foy makes for great storytelling, but there's about 500 mets more deserving. And Gooden was part of the 86 rotation.
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| Author: | Munky00 [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
They've sort of semi-retired some numbers already like 8, 17, and 24 (until Cano), so I'd guess maybe those will be near the top of the list, plus Wright. |
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| Author: | TomInNC [ Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
LTKfRGM wrote: Some entertaining choices there Tom. Joe Foy makes for great storytelling, but there's about 500 mets more deserving. And Gooden was part of the 86 rotation. Fixed! |
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| Author: | Daaaarryyl [ Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jerry Koosman's number to be retired |
TomInNC wrote: In order of deserving an honor like this from the Mets: Wright Hernandez Carter Beltran Kranepool Jones Matlack Agee Grote Every other member of the 69 Mets The 1986 rotation (less Gooden) Santana Orosco Knight Cone The great defensive infield Delgado Todd Pratt Endy Leiter Franco Kingman Jefferies McReynolds Every member of the 1962 team Strawberry Craig Swan Felix Milan John Maine Ed Hearn Roger McDowell Rickey Henderson Todd Zeile Neil Allen Nolan Ryan Joe Foy Jim Fregosi Gooden I admit Ed Hearn and Gooden is a flip of the coin but I have to be honest, I think I go with Dwight there. |
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