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Select your prospects
Poll ended at Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:37 am
Ronny Mauricio 47%  47%  [ 14 ]
Brett Baty 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Andres Gimenez 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Matthew Allen 20%  20%  [ 6 ]
Francisco Alvarez 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Mark Vientos 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
David Peterson 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Shervyen Newton 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Josh Wolf 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Thomas Szapucki 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 30
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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:39 am 
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Roma here. Probably Alvarez next.

I assume Baty over Vientos because Baty maybe a better power bat? His body already looks like he’s a grown man. Vientos can still grow into his and fill out.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:48 pm 
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Unless guys get shuffled in the polls I am probably going:

Allen, Alvarez, Wolf, Baty, Szapucki, Gimenez, Vientos, Peterson...

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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:01 pm 
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I think that MikeH is probably right - that Baty will see a bump in the rankings for the foreseeable future because he was drafted earlier. I'm rooting for both of them since they are both Mets, but I'd be interested in seeing how long it takes for Vientos to get the same level of recognition if they perform at the same level.

I bring this up because I like Vientos and figure that we're probably more likely to trade him now that BVW has his own draft pick who has a very similar profile and ETA.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:58 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:24 pm 
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TheUpperDeck wrote:
Mauricio and Alvarez, though it might be wise to vote on 2019 draft picks and IFAs only.

On a more serious note, why is Baty generally so much more highly regarded than Vientos?

Here are Baty's scouting grades from MLB.com (for 3B):

Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Run: 40 | Arm: 60 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55

Here's his scouting report:

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Baty's raw power was among the best in the 2019 Draft, the product of bat speed, strength and loft in his left-handed swing. He's more of an advanced hitter than just a pure masher, one who makes repeated hard contact, isn't fooled by breaking pitches and doesn't get caught selling out for power. It all points to a high offensive ceiling for Baty, who projects as an above-average hitter who could develop plus game power.

Though he clocks below-average running times, Baty is a better athlete than his lack of speed might indicate. He played basketball at Lake Travis and could remain a third baseman if he improves his agility and maintains the conditioning on his big frame. There's no question about his arm because he has registered fastballs up to 92 mph off the mound.


Here are Vientos's scouting grades from MLB.com (for 3B):

Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Run: 40 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

Here's his scouting report:

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One of the youngest players in the 2017 Draft class, Vientos has only scraped the surface of his offensive potential. With bat speed and strength, Vientos produces exit velocities that are among the best in the system, up there with the likes of slugger Peter Alonso. That innate ability to impact the baseball gives him a chance to hit for average and power, and the latter is already showing during games. Vientos' timing can get out of whack at times, resulting in some swings and misses, but his approach is advanced for his age, and he's demonstrated a willingness to work deep into counts and take walks.

After playing both spots on the left side of the infield during his debut, Vientos manned the hot corner exclusively at Kingsport in 2018. He has below-average speed and lacks range, but he's athletic and has the requisite hands and plus arm strength needed for the position. There's little doubt that he has the bat to profile there, too, and the final product could be that of a bat-first regular who hits in the middle of a lineup.


So I gather that they both have similar strengths (bat speed, strength, power, plus arm strength) and that both are slow for the position (though Vientos actually has a higher field grade). I get the impression that Baty may project to be a better pure hitter - MLB.com gives him a higher hit grade and notes that Vientos is prone to swings and misses - but I'm not sure that he actually has more upside. Plus Vientos is actually slightly younger despite being drafted two years earlier!


I think Baty is a better overall athlete and I think he'll be a better 3B than Vientos. Also I think people are more optimistic about his ability to hit than Vientos'.

Definitely similar profiles, but I mean, Andres Gimenez and Luis Carpio generally have similar profiles, too. Having similar profiles doesn't make them equal prospects.

Although hedging a bit, it is true that the difference might just be pedigree.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:38 pm 
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I believe it's Matthew "Allan" with an "a". Not "Allen".


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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:52 pm 
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I know it’s popular to knock Gimenez down some but I think he’s going to have a big break out in 2020 and will certainly climb lots of lists.


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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:06 pm 
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Did we vote on #2, yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:13 am 
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yalikeMetroplitans wrote:
Did we vote on #2, yet?


Sorry, stuff happened in the real world, taking care of my mom & distracted and minor health problems - not worth fussing over but enough to squeeze my time a bit. On a side note, I may be a good candidate for a CPAP machine for sleep apnea, which some people say makes a huge difference.

I'll post #2 shortly.

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 Post subject: Re: Mets top prospect, 2020
PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:17 am 
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yalikeMetroplitans wrote:
Did we vote on #2, yet?


Sorry, stuff happened in the real world, taking care of my mom & distracted and minor health problems - not worth fussing over but enough to squeeze my time a bit. On a side note, I may be a good candidate for a CPAP machine for sleep apnea, which some people say makes a huge difference.

I'll post #2 shortly.

No worries. Hope all is looking better.

Have a friend that uses a CPAP and he says it really helps.


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