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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:07 pm 
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After Bernazard, this might be the most Mets scandal ever.


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:59 pm 
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Video of a Beltran at bat where the Astros dugout was telling him which pitches were coming:

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comme ... egal_sign/

Not good.


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:13 pm 
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Metsfan980 wrote:
Video of a Beltran at bat where the Astros dugout was telling him which pitches were coming:

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comme ... egal_sign/

Not good.


Yeah, this is WAYYYYY worse then I thought. Teams should be changing signs more but this kind of stuff is crap.

I think Carlos Beltran manages as many games as Wally Backman did for the Diamondbacks #-o


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:29 pm 
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SNESandMets wrote:
Metsfan980 wrote:
Video of a Beltran at bat where the Astros dugout was telling him which pitches were coming:

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comme ... egal_sign/

Not good.


Yeah, this is WAYYYYY worse then I thought. Teams should be changing signs more but this kind of stuff is crap.

I think Carlos Beltran manages as many games as Wally Backman did for the Diamondbacks #-o


This is not a great video for showing what happened (there are some videos already floating around where you can clearly hear the bangs), but it shows that Beltran was probably aware and is now probably lying about it.

Really disappointing. He should have either said no comment or just said "we did the wrong thing, I'm sorry for participating in that."


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:29 pm 
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https://youtu.be/QvwkaKHUNYw?t=2573

1st pitch: BANG -- changeup
2nd pitch: BANG BANG -- breaking ball
3rd pitch: BANG BANG -- breaking ball (catcher appears to look over at dugout a few times after pitch)
4th pitch: BANG -- changeup
5th pitch: no bang -- fastball

Beltran knew.


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:41 am 
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Beltran has been accused of "devising the system the Astros used in 2017."

Carlos has to defend himself from inventing the system. He doesn't need to defend himself from ABs where it is being used.

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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:57 am 
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MetFan29 wrote:
Beltran has been accused of "devising the system the Astros used in 2017."

Carlos has to defend himself from inventing the system. He doesn't need to defend himself from ABs where it is being used.


He said he didn't know about the system at all.

But there's video showing that it was used during his ABs, so he probably knew about it.

If that was a lie, then everything he's saying about this is in doubt. The truth is going to come out, liars look worse than those that just admit they did something wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:12 pm 
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MLB is going to come down hard on this. It wouldn't surprise me if Beltran's managerial debut has to wait a month or two while he serves a suspension to open the season.


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:13 pm 
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MLB is going to come down hard on this. It wouldn't surprise me if Beltran's managerial debut has to wait a month or two while he serves a suspension to open the season.

Maybe Jeff has insurance on Beltran's contract too, so that should work out.


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:45 pm 
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I don’t think anything will happen to Beltran at all. He was just a player


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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:12 pm 
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Manfred appears a spineless puppet. I expect the true scope of all this will never be known. My belief is the cheating was rampant and not only known by all in the organization but encouraged. Beltran probably benefited from the information which makes him culpable. Who cares how culpable. If you are at all apart of it, you're part of it.

Whatever. I expect a loss of a first rounder and a little suspension or two. Couple lower level guys taking the fall. And then I expect the Astros to get better at cheating. I think if ever there was a time to really Kennesaw Mountain Landis somebody, this is it. Loss of their entire drafts for the next 5 years, 1 billion dollar fine to the owner, Altuve traded to the Angels, Verlander lifetime ban and Kate Upton divorce, and Hinch has to walk on stage, fully clothed, lay across Joe Torre’s knee, and receive a spanking aired on Fox with Joe Buck announcing. I’d watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Official: Beltran new Met manager
PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:23 pm 
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Ciarán wrote:
I don’t think anything will happen to Beltran at all. He was just a player


He's being named as one of the players that was behind the system.


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