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 Post subject: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:17 pm 
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As title says, how would you grade the draft, knowing now who we signed, and who we didn't.

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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:29 pm 
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I had trouble reading the thread title.

The big letters were small, and the small letters were big.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:45 pm 
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I'm goin B+. Not going to slaughter them for all the questions surrounding Kay and Planck. They clearly loved Kay for a long time, he fit the need of potentially quickly bolstering the mid-levels of the system (alongside Dunn), also fit the need of adding a "safer" lefty to compliment the raw guys in the low minors. Planck was intriguing, but prob not a million dollar pitcher, but it had to be done at that point.

Biggest Positives this draft-

- I had Dunn BPA when the pick came up. Automatically gonna give the draft a passing grade when that happens.

- With Holderman, Planck, and Cleveland, secured three big upside guys to heavily bolster the talent level of the draft.

- Good with college picks Alonso through Woodmansee. Think some mature bats with remaining upside was necessary to restock the system. While signable HS kids could be more tantalizing, Kingsport all the way through Lucie could have been rather barren for the next year or so without a restock in Brooklyn.

- Even grabbed some projectable young arms later on without blowing budget money.

Biggest Negatives this draft-

- Perhaps not really a tangible negative, but it seemed like in an era where teams are really on top of their draft strategy, bonus demands, and creativity, the Mets just send me a feeling of being a half-step slow.

- Viall has some intriguing upside, but I am not sold that this project was a better option than a submarine slot value here that could have freed up another 200k+. Especially for a projected RP.

-Despite being rather pleased with the draft, I can't go into "A" territory if you aren't able to grab one high upside bat that may have dropped due to being too raw. An Ivan Wilson, a Champ Stuart, or a Des Lindsay.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:36 pm 
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R Nitelight wrote:
I had trouble reading the thread title.

The big letters were small, and the small letters were big.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:45 pm 
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degromination wrote:
I'm goin B+. Not going to slaughter them for all the questions surrounding Kay and Planck. They clearly loved Kay for a long time, he fit the need of potentially quickly bolstering the mid-levels of the system (alongside Dunn), also fit the need of adding a "safer" lefty to compliment the raw guys in the low minors. Planck was intriguing, but prob not a million dollar pitcher, but it had to be done at that point.

Biggest Positives this draft-

- I had Dunn BPA when the pick came up. Automatically gonna give the draft a passing grade when that happens.

- With Holderman, Planck, and Cleveland, secured three big upside guys to heavily bolster the talent level of the draft.

- Good with college picks Alonso through Woodmansee. Think some mature bats with remaining upside was necessary to restock the system. While signable HS kids could be more tantalizing, Kingsport all the way through Lucie could have been rather barren for the next year or so without a restock in Brooklyn.

- Even grabbed some projectable young arms later on without blowing budget money.

Biggest Negatives this draft-

- Perhaps not really a tangible negative, but it seemed like in an era where teams are really on top of their draft strategy, bonus demands, and creativity, the Mets just send me a feeling of being a half-step slow.

- Viall has some intriguing upside, but I am not sold that this project was a better option than a submarine slot value here that could have freed up another 200k+. Especially for a projected RP.

-Despite being rather pleased with the draft, I can't go into "A" territory if you aren't able to grab one high upside bat that may have dropped due to being too raw. An Ivan Wilson, a Champ Stuart, or a Des Lindsay.


I agree with this but the high upside bats like fail a lot. Look at Lindsey and Wilson now


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:22 pm 
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IlikeIKE wrote:
degromination wrote:
I'm goin B+. Not going to slaughter them for all the questions surrounding Kay and Planck. They clearly loved Kay for a long time, he fit the need of potentially quickly bolstering the mid-levels of the system (alongside Dunn), also fit the need of adding a "safer" lefty to compliment the raw guys in the low minors. Planck was intriguing, but prob not a million dollar pitcher, but it had to be done at that point.

Biggest Positives this draft-

- I had Dunn BPA when the pick came up. Automatically gonna give the draft a passing grade when that happens.

- With Holderman, Planck, and Cleveland, secured three big upside guys to heavily bolster the talent level of the draft.

- Good with college picks Alonso through Woodmansee. Think some mature bats with remaining upside was necessary to restock the system. While signable HS kids could be more tantalizing, Kingsport all the way through Lucie could have been rather barren for the next year or so without a restock in Brooklyn.

- Even grabbed some projectable young arms later on without blowing budget money.

Biggest Negatives this draft-

- Perhaps not really a tangible negative, but it seemed like in an era where teams are really on top of their draft strategy, bonus demands, and creativity, the Mets just send me a feeling of being a half-step slow.

- Viall has some intriguing upside, but I am not sold that this project was a better option than a submarine slot value here that could have freed up another 200k+. Especially for a projected RP.

-Despite being rather pleased with the draft, I can't go into "A" territory if you aren't able to grab one high upside bat that may have dropped due to being too raw. An Ivan Wilson, a Champ Stuart, or a Des Lindsay.


I agree with this but the high upside bats like fail a lot. Look at Lindsey and Wilson now


I hear ya, but ya gotta find at least one to take a shot on as a lottery ticket. And right now Wilson was a fail, Des an unknown, and champ making a little noise. Could be a lot worse.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:29 am 
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I see no reason to compare Dez Lindsay and Ivan Wilson.

One is a legitimate 19-year-old prospect with injury issues. The other is retired and wasn't much of a prospect before that.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:16 am 
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This may come as a surprise, but my grade is negative.

It seems like outside of the 1st Round every pick was designed to save money to spread around later.

Then they didn't save any money.

Outside of Alonso -- who I naturally don't like -- none of them should have sniffed slot.

I shudder to think how bleak it would have been if Kay had a decent physical.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:50 am 
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Mixed Bag: B-/C+. Baffling why they didn't take any of the Cs from what seemed like a deep class. And equally baffling is not taking a shot on any prep position players in the early rds. Seems like they take playing it safe to an art form. And if they knew about Kay's elbow and still picked him, that is even more baffling. That said, I like Dunn and Alonso and I'm sure we'll see some of the other arms develop, cause that is their wheelhouse.


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ilikeike29 wrote:
I see no reason to compare Dez Lindsay and Ivan Wilson.

One is a legitimate 19-year-old prospect with injury issues. The other is retired and wasn't much of a prospect before that.


I'm not sure I compared them. I just put them into the same grouping of high-upside athletes capable of carrying a draft if all goes right.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:40 pm 
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degromination wrote:
ilikeike29 wrote:
I see no reason to compare Dez Lindsay and Ivan Wilson.

One is a legitimate 19-year-old prospect with injury issues. The other is retired and wasn't much of a prospect before that.


I'm not sure I compared them. I just put them into the same grouping of high-upside athletes capable of carrying a draft if all goes right.


I kind of take issue with the idea of anyone carrying a draft or a draft needing to be carried at all. All that ultimately matters is the health of the system. Who cares how a given draft performs?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:56 pm 
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If only Ivan Wilson could hit a baseball.....


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