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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:02 pm 
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I see no reason to compare Dez Lindsay and Ivan Wilson.

One is a legitimate 19-year-old prospect with injury issues. The other is retired and wasn't much of a prospect before that.


I'm not sure I compared them. I just put them into the same grouping of high-upside athletes capable of carrying a draft if all goes right.



Pretty sure he wasn't commenting on your post.


I think he was responding to this one:

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I agree with this but the high upside bats like fail a lot. Look at Lindsey and Wilson now






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Yeah, and if you're using the "He's 19" logic, then I guess the best report a scout could give us is:


"I have no idea. He's a teenager. He may go through 5 arm surgeries between now and his 30th birthday. He may add a pitch. He may lose a pitch. He may put on 30 lbs and add velocity. He may put on 50 lbs and eat his way out of the league. I literally have no idea what he is going to be."

But thats not what these guys are paid to do, nor what we are looking for them to do, right?


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:00 pm 
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Daaaarryyl wrote:
degromination wrote:
ilikeike29 wrote:
I see no reason to compare Dez Lindsay and Ivan Wilson.

One is a legitimate 19-year-old prospect with injury issues. The other is retired and wasn't much of a prospect before that.


I'm not sure I compared them. I just put them into the same grouping of high-upside athletes capable of carrying a draft if all goes right.



Pretty sure he wasn't commenting on your post.


I think he was responding to this one:

IlikeIKE wrote:
I agree with this but the high upside bats like fail a lot. Look at Lindsey and Wilson now

Correct. Lindsay is a top prospect that I am very high on and have heard great things about.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:35 am 
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I give this draft a 72. Passing, but below average. Just... stop me if you're heard me say this before... nothing to sink your teeth into, no upside, some floor, just... not a lot of ceiling.

Good/great picks: Dunn, Alonso, Viall, Planck, Holderman
Average picks: Tiberi, Paez, Woodmansee

Overall: Blah

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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:54 am 
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tejdog1 wrote:
I give this draft a 72. Passing, but below average. Just... stop me if you're heard me say this before... nothing to sink your teeth into, no upside, some floor, just... not a lot of ceiling.

Good/great picks: Dunn, Alonso, Viall, Planck, Holderman
Average picks: Tiberi, Paez, Woodmansee

Overall: Blah


While I agree I was a pure upside bat away from being pushed into A- territory, I can't agree with your assessment that there is no upside. There is a lot of ceiling, it just came in the form of all arms. You can't go all HS picks.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:41 pm 
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Upside in Cleveland, Planck...a few possible sleepers; Dunn was solid and I am a big fan of Kay since the first time we drafted him.

Downside in position players...no real toolsy guys here. Alonso might be fun to watch develop.

I think they out thought themselves in places.

Not the kind of draft that raises the system ranking, but infuses much needed pitching into the system...in four years, this draft might look better, if Dunn and Kay are both major leaguers, and one of the other arms is making waves..

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They lost out on a lot of the early prep talent (especially position players) they wanted and some (like Duncan Pence) priced themselves out of being able to sign with the club. But overall, I think we'll see a few major leaguers in the first 10 rounds, though I'm not sure if it's fair to consider any but the first three and Colin Holderman among that group to ever be major prospects. I do like Tiberi's swing and think we might be able to squeeze something out of McGeorge. Hopefully Viall finds the plate.

Beyond the first 10 rounds, Planck is obviously the big attraction. Certainly some risk there but the upside is definitely there with a plus sinker. Needs to work on his offspeed stuff. Matt Cleveland is a major prospect, but he's a guy that can touch the mid 90s with a great pitcher's body. Christian James is very high effort, but might be able to become a major league reliever if it all pans out. Garrison Bryant is a projectable 17 year old who is an interesting projection guy. The two Puerto Rican high school guys top out in the high 80s, with Rivera especially carrying quite a bit of projection. A couple of lottery tickets.

Of the college guys post round 10, I guess I like Jacob Zanon the most.


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 Post subject: Re: gRADING tHE dRAFT 2.0 - pOST sIGNING dEADLINE
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Grading an entire draft is tough. Gun to my head, I'll say B-, and the reason is, while I like what they did, you have to take off a few points for drafting the guy with the frayed elbow and likely Tommy John in his nearish future. The reason I won't go higher is cause there's not much to get really excited over with this draft, there's some nice players, but for 7 plus million to spend, I want a little more wow.

Take their 2015 draft with 1/2 the money to spend they came away with 3 really interesting players, Lindsay, Wotell & Szapucki and David Thompson' not bad either. Simon was a worthy sign too but he's not wowed the way Wotell & Szap have. For low money, I'd give the 2015 draft a B+. It was legit.

2016 is more mixed. Dunn is a nice addition. Kay is OK. Planck was an overpay but respectable talent. I like Alonso. The others are mostly averageish to me, not bad, a slight plus, so Dunn - he's a plus. Kay/Planck - small minus with an injury and an overpay. (THey didn't have 20/20 forsight on Kay's injury so that' not their fault, but it hurts their grade) and rounds 3 and later - not bad. I like Cleveland. I'm leaning B-/C+ range. I'll go with B- cause I'm a homer when it comes to guys the mets draft.

It's kind of funny though. If Rutherford was on board and they still drafted Dunn, people would have hated him.

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