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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:40 am 
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I like that his K:BB went from 60:30 to 140:15.

Assuming he continues that same development path he should K about 300 next year and walk 7.5, which is #good.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
I like that his K:BB went from 60:30 to 140:15.

Assuming he continues that same development path he should K about 300 next year and walk 7.5, which is #good.


Great control is always good. Could expand zone on hitters if you are constantly pumping strikes.

A guy with his frame, and delivery angle. Wonder if they will try and teach him a cutter


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:53 am 
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I'm liking this pick

He is a nice contrast to the Dunn pick

Dunn has dream big upside but also a lot of risk for a first round pick given his lack of starter experience and track record

Peterson doesn't have blow me away stuff but seems much more polished. His numbers speak for itself. He is a big guy with easy stuff / mechanics which should lead to great durability and an MLB starter profile.

The ceiling might not be as high as Dunn but the floor is much higher.

If Dunn continues to underwhelm and Peterson does what I expect in his debut in the lower minors - dominate - I would rate him above Dunn.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
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Dunn is significantly smaller than Peterson and works mostly low-90's as a starter, right?

I think the perceived upside/floor differential here is more perception than reality.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:57 am 
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IlikeIKE wrote:
MarkJohnson>You wrote:
I like that his K:BB went from 60:30 to 140:15.

Assuming he continues that same development path he should K about 300 next year and walk 7.5, which is #good.


Great control is always good. Could expand zone on hitters if you are constantly pumping strikes.

A guy with his frame, and delivery angle. Wonder if they will try and teach him a cutter


I'd teach him a screwball, because there's just not enough screwballs around anymore since Danny Ray Herrera left us.

Also, I'd teach him how to throw harder - call it a fastERball.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:59 am 
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Dunn is significantly smaller than Peterson and works mostly low-90's as a starter, right?

I think the perceived upside/floor differential here is more perception than reality.

Agree. Video of Peterson is pretty impressive. iow, the ceiling for him as a SPer is as high as any other top SPer drafted the past few seasons IMO. He doesn't have to throw 99 to be dominant.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Dunn is significantly smaller than Peterson and works mostly low-90's as a starter, right?

I think the perceived upside/floor differential here is more perception than reality.


I don't know what Dunn is throwing now, and I never know if reports are accurate, but when drafted, Dunn supposedly touched 99 and maintained his velocity late into games - that was written about him a couple places.

This report says he threw 93-95 late into his starts at college.

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/20 ... n-college/

Maybe someone here has updated reports.

- - - but I agree with your 2nd sentence.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:13 am 
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Dunn has been 92-94 per someone I know, slider has shown flashes, CB and CU currently both below average pitches.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
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MarkJohnson>You wrote:
Dunn is significantly smaller than Peterson and works mostly low-90's as a starter, right?

I think the perceived upside/floor differential here is more perception than reality.

No, Dunn is still more mid 90s. I believe Viall (maybe one other) was the only SP in the system last year with a higher average FB velo.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
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Metro2007 wrote:
Dunn has been 92-94 per someone I know, slider has shown flashes, CB and CU currently both below average pitches.

BP had him like a slight tick above that, going offhand.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:25 am 
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ilikeike29 wrote:
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Dunn has been 92-94 per someone I know, slider has shown flashes, CB and CU currently both below average pitches.

BP had him like a slight tick above that, going offhand.


Not looking to argue semantics at all but Steve Givarz had him 92-94 touching 96 last month

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/prosp ... portid=480

Which is basically what I was told he was throwing

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 01, Pick 020 LHP David Peterson (C
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ANyway, I think we're into the semantics a bit here. More just saying the reports of Dunn being a near-triple digits guy is some combo of old reliever reports and college reports always being hot, I think (which would similarly apply to Peterson here - if they say 89-94, I'm guessing he works mostly 89-91 - although probably easier to dream on the 6'6", 240 guy adding velo than 6'2", 185 guy).

The point was more that neither guy is going to be a true fireballer in today's game, and while Dunn's slider maybe grades out better than any of Peterson's pitches, the idea that Dunn is some future ace and Peterson is a pitchability lefty surviving on guile and moxy probably spreads the gap too wide between them. Backside/mid rotation upside for each, no?


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