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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:25 pm 
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LTKfRGM wrote:
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Not on BA's top 500


HS CF. works for me. 19.5 is old for HS, but not super relevant.

That is, in fact, super relevant. And it's not good.

Seems to have a lot of talent though.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:26 pm 
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The stats show age of a HS player is INSANELY relevant.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:27 pm 
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At nearly 20 I'm surprised they didn't pick him as a P and try and develop him.


Yep. Sounds like he has a future in pitching. When you can only hit .278 in HS, you're not on the major league trajectory as a position player.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:28 pm 
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Metro2007 wrote:
The stats show age of a HS player is INSANELY relevant.

Yep. Not sure why LTK would suggest otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:29 pm 
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At nearly 20 I'm surprised they didn't pick him as a P and try and develop him.


We don't actually know that they didn't - right? (Double negative, I know)

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:31 pm 
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The stats show age of a HS player is INSANELY relevant.

Yep. Not sure why LTK would suggest otherwise.


I don't care in the 11th round. I get that it's relevant. I'd care if they drafted a 19.5 year old HSer in the 1st or 2nd round. 11th round - I don't care at all. I'm sure it all factors in to his draft ranking and signing amount anyway. But, 11th round - I don't care. I'm just happy they went HS.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
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LTKfRGM wrote:
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At nearly 20 I'm surprised they didn't pick him as a P and try and develop him.


We don't actually know that they didn't - right? (Double negative, I know)



Well they announced him as an OF so the assumption is that's where they see him.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
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I'd wanna try him as a pitcher. Up to 96/97? Even if you drop that the usual 3-4 you're at 93-94 and that's without fulltime pitching.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
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Metro2007 wrote:
LTKfRGM wrote:
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At nearly 20 I'm surprised they didn't pick him as a P and try and develop him.


We don't actually know that they didn't - right? (Double negative, I know)



Well they announced him as an OF so the assumption is that's where they see him.


That's a good point.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
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LTKfRGM wrote:
ilikeike29 wrote:
Metro2007 wrote:
The stats show age of a HS player is INSANELY relevant.

Yep. Not sure why LTK would suggest otherwise.


I don't care in the 11th round. I get that it's relevant. I'd care if they drafted a 19.5 year old HSer in the 1st or 2nd round. 11th round - I don't care at all. I'm sure it all factors in to his draft ranking and signing amount anyway. But, 11th round - I don't care. I'm just happy they went HS.

I don't really get that logic. You evaluate every player the same way. You can still like the pick and count age as a negative (or a reason he's around this late).


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
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Historically 11th rounder has been HS guy with whom they have pre-draft deal.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NYM Draft: Round 11, Pick 337 CF Jack Schneider
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ilikeike29 wrote:

I don't really get that logic. You evaluate every player the same way. You can still like the pick and count age as a negative (or a reason he's around this late).


Sometimes, the conventional wisdom (hard throwers are better, young HS is better, upside is better) can be taken so far that you actually do better going against the common wisdom. For an 11th round pick with good tools, I don't think it matters that he's 19.5. The bigger negative, bigger than his age, is that he hit .278 against guys a year or two younger than him. That needs some work.

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